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Post by bull on Mar 10, 2008 12:47:55 GMT -5
I will go on record saying that many owners are going to get confused with this process.
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Post by diehl034 on Mar 10, 2008 13:34:54 GMT -5
Its not that difficult of a process to understand but I agree, I think it will go less smoothly than we would like it to.
Winning bid = bid with the highest average/season regardless of amount of years (correct?)
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Mar 10, 2008 13:43:12 GMT -5
Its not that difficult of a process to understand but I agree, I think it will go less smoothly than we would like it to. Winning bid = bid with the highest average/season regardless of amount of years (correct?) Correct and if there is a tie in AAS (average annual salary) the team with the longer contract wins the bid. My question though, is who is available for free agency? Are foreign players and college/high school players also available? Can I sign myself if I wanted to? |
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Post by bull on Mar 10, 2008 13:44:30 GMT -5
keep in mind the ratio of backloaded contracts....
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Mar 10, 2008 14:14:14 GMT -5
What about guys in the minors who haven't had an MLB at bat/IP? Will they have regular FA contracts and forgo PP?
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Post by Pirates GM (Larry) on Mar 10, 2008 14:19:17 GMT -5
So your saying I can bid on a player with the amount & years I want to have him with the highest bid the winner? Is this daily or weekly bidding?
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Mar 10, 2008 14:23:10 GMT -5
Its all in the rules at the bottom of the forum. You can only place one bid on a player. Minor leaguers dont have any protection, you make the contract..
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 10, 2008 18:36:40 GMT -5
So your saying I can bid on a player with the amount & years I want to have him with the highest bid the winner? Is this daily or weekly bidding? Not necessarily the highest bid, but the highest annual average will win. Bidding is done weekly. |
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 10, 2008 18:42:38 GMT -5
Its not that difficult of a process to understand but I agree, I think it will go less smoothly than we would like it to. Winning bid = bid with the highest average/season regardless of amount of years (correct?) Correct and if there is a tie in AAS (average annual salary) the team with the longer contract wins the bid. My question though, is who is available for free agency? Are foreign players and college/high school players also available? Can I sign myself if I wanted to? Only players who have or have had a contract with a ML franchise or an ML affiliate (farm team) can be drafted. So if your kid is a promising little leaguer and you want to lock him up long term- sorry, you'll have to wait til he inks that first contract. Also, when the amateur draft comes around, you will have the exclusive opportunity to sign your team's draft picks for a limited time. |
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 10, 2008 18:45:17 GMT -5
Thanks to everybody who helped clear some things up regarding the FA Process as well as prospect protection. It really helps to have a number of different people explain things, because some will be more effective than others. I hadn't done a great job of explaining the system, and I think it's been said much better by others. Thanks guys.
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Post by snookie on Mar 10, 2008 19:45:18 GMT -5
Guys -
Let me be the devils advocate.
I would like to sign (insert player name here) to a contract. The value of my contract will be the average salary. So here it is.
1(08) 1(09) 1(10) 1(11) 1(12) 50(13) 50(14) 50(15) 50(16) 50(17)
My average salary per year is 25.5 Million a year.
I'm guessing I'll win the bid. I will not plan on playing after the fifth season.
I recomend a three year cap to years and no more than 2 million difference between consecutive years.
for example 1(08) 3(09) 5(10)
Otherwise I think we could place the league in a bind
These are just one mans thoughts.
Cheers,
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Post by diehl034 on Mar 10, 2008 20:01:59 GMT -5
Guys - Let me be the devils advocate. I would like to sign (insert player name here) to a contract. The value of my contract will be the average salary. So here it is. 1(08) 1(09) 1(10) 1(11) 1(12) 50(13) 50(14) 50(15) 50(16) 50(17) My average salary per year is 25.5 Million a year. I'm guessing I'll win the bid. I will not plan on playing after the fifth season. I recomend a three year cap to years and no more than 2 million difference between consecutive years. for example 1(08) 3(09) 5(10) Otherwise I think we could place the league in a bind These are just one mans thoughts. Cheers, Snookie- We have a rule protecting against just this - backloading contracts. I believe it is that "no more than 70% of the contract may be in the last half (years wise) of the deal" Numbers may be a little different but thats the gist of it. So your proposed contract would not be kosher. Hope this helps? |
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Mar 10, 2008 20:15:26 GMT -5
This isnt about FA process but since we are discussing rules i had a question. My team has 2 restricted optioins and 1 franchse option. I am wonder is that per year or is that for all time? At the end of this season if i franchise someone and take thier real life contract do i get that contract for only the 09 season or if they signed a multi year deal do i get those years also. If i do assume the whole real life contract do I have another Franchise option after the 09 season?
Its hard to explain what i mean but i hope someone understands it. For restrcied options, you have the choice to meet/exceed others team in the leagues offers. if someone offered your player a 5 year deal with an AAS of 12MM do you have to have to sign that player to a 5yr deal with AAS of 12.1MM or can it be a 1yr deal at 12.1MM?
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Post by diehl034 on Mar 10, 2008 20:18:21 GMT -5
And if I may offer a rule suggest that I think would be fun:
"A club may designate any year of a free agent's contract as a club option (CO) if the player's salary in the given year is no more than 1 standard deviation above the Average per year. If the club option is exercised, said team will not be allowed to acquire the player for the next free agency period."
I know that's adding confusion, but I think it would be fun, it would be work, and its not abusable. For example:
Player A:
8M, 10M, 12M, 16M, 16M
Avg =12.4M
SD = 2.88M
-so you could place CO's on the first 3 years, but not on the final 2 years
Player B
8M, 10M, 12M, 14M, 16M
Avg. = 12M
SD = 2M
-the 14M year could be a CO year
reasons for doing this:
-fun
-injuries in a Salary Cap league (if Ryan Howard gets 16M or more per year in his upcoming free agency and suffers an awful injury, that team's salary cap is affected though he may not be playing) - this protects smaller market teams and I think promotes parity and competition
-also teams are not likely to abuse this for high end players because they would not be able to re-acquire the player
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Post by diehl034 on Mar 10, 2008 20:24:11 GMT -5
This isnt about FA process but since we are discussing rules i had a question. My team has 2 restricted optioins and 1 franchse option. I am wonder is that per year or is that for all time? At the end of this season if i franchise someone and take thier real life contract do i get that contract for only the 09 season or if they signed a multi year deal do i get those years also. If i do assume the whole real life contract do I have another Franchise option after the 09 season? Its hard to explain what i mean but i hope someone understands it. For restrcied options, you have the choice to meet/exceed others team in the leagues offers. if someone offered your player a 5 year deal with an AAS of 12MM do you have to have to sign that player to a 5yr deal with AAS of 12.1MM or can it be a 1yr deal at 12.1MM? first of all, I don't think you should have to exceed the offer, just meet it. Reason for this is someone could theoretically offer an increase of $1 and that just makes things messy for no reason. As for time frames, I think that you just get those 3 options period and they are recurring. I am under the impression that (for Restricted for example) in your example if you offer 12M for 3 years to the player, you are using up that 12M option for all 3 of those years. If you sign them for 1 year you use it up for that year and the next year can choose to either use it on that player or another player. Correct me if I'm wrong. Did this answer your question? |
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Post by diehl034 on Mar 10, 2008 20:44:32 GMT -5
I also think that the team exercising the CO should suffer a buyout fee equal to the standard deviation of the contract.
So a player with a contract of
2M, 6M, 10M
would have to pay a 4M buyout in year 3 if they chose to structure the contract like this.
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Mar 10, 2008 20:44:46 GMT -5
So you francshie/restrict a player and when that players franchised/restricted contract is up you get that option back. It makes sense if that is the case.
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Post by diehl034 on Mar 10, 2008 21:20:05 GMT -5
yes, i believe that is the case
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 10, 2008 22:29:03 GMT -5
I almost wouldn't think that is the case, and here is why. The number of restricted and franchise players we have will or can differ from year to year, based on the salary cap of our real-life MLB team.
So if I use both of my franchise options and all of a sudden my team goes up to a level where I only have one franchise option, then it would be a major problem.
Not sure this is the case. We'll have to wait for an official answer from the commish.
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 10, 2008 22:59:33 GMT -5
I almost wouldn't think that is the case, and here is why. The number of restricted and franchise players we have will or can differ from year to year, based on the salary cap of our real-life MLB team. So if I use both of my franchise options and all of a sudden my team goes up to a level where I only have one franchise option, then it would be a major problem. Not sure this is the case. We'll have to wait for an official answer from the commish. Correct, those franchise and restricted options are PER YEAR. They are designed mainly to keep the smaller market teams competitive by enabling them to keep their young players who may still be receiving a series of 1 year contracts but are ineligible for prospect protection. You'll find that each year, each team will have quite a few free agents, so there will still be turnover. If a franchise tag was tied up for the length of the contract, free agency would be insane. |
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Mar 10, 2008 23:57:12 GMT -5
So your saying I can bid on a player with the amount & years I want to have him with the highest bid the winner? Is this daily or weekly bidding? Not necessarily the highest bid, but the highest annual average will win. Bidding is done weekly. I know were still not there yet but i think it better to get the answers now not to delay the process. What do you mean weekly? There are only 2 weeks or so until the season begins. it seems like we will go by positions for bidding. will we be able to come back to positions later? Say I want 2 P 2 OF then a MI for example If i get 2 P but only 1 of the OF but no other OF interest will we be able to go back and place a bid on another P? |
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 11, 2008 0:40:31 GMT -5
Not necessarily the highest bid, but the highest annual average will win. Bidding is done weekly. I know were still not there yet but i think it better to get the answers now not to delay the process. What do you mean weekly? There are only 2 weeks or so until the season begins. it seems like we will go by positions for bidding. will we be able to come back to positions later? Say I want 2 P 2 OF then a MI for example If i get 2 P but only 1 of the OF but no other OF interest will we be able to go back and place a bid on another P? For the initial free agency period, we will not be going by positions. That first week will be an absolute free for all. I expect to be sorting through bids for a day or so. Beginning next offseason, we will go through one position per week. This will 1) keep people active during the offseason 2) spread out the workload for Swo and I as we sort through the bids 3) be less crazy in general. If we had the time to go through position by position, that's definitely the preferred method, but we simply do not have the time. Please be thinking about who you're going to bid on and how much. Go over the rules regarding the bidding process and the contract structure guidelines. After the draft, there will be 3 or 4 days in which to post players and submit bids. We will only have time for one free agency period before the games in Japan to kick off the season. I don't see this as a huge problem. We ought to have two periods under our belt before the bulk of the teams begin their regular seasons. Before the end of our player draft, I will have the league website up and invitations sent out so you can look through the available player list. This will not include everybody who you can bid on. CBS does a good job, but their list of minor leaguers is not as deep as our league is intended for. You may ask how that would work. Well, as long as you keep track of who you own the rights to on this website, when a player gets listed by CBS that you happen to own in our league, you will have exclusive rights to him- though he may not show up and be on your roster from the get go. |
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Post by snookie on Mar 11, 2008 20:51:34 GMT -5
I would like to suggest a three year max for FA contracts.
Longer contracts may prove to imbalance the league by crippling a club if the player is injured or sucks!
It will have the bonus effect of not tying up all the free agents.
I would like to hear several opinions on this.
Cheers,
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 11, 2008 23:26:36 GMT -5
Tyler,
FYI...... I do not believe the CBS site is going to allow you to count the Japan games in week one. I notice in my own league that it does not give me an option to set a lineup for those days.
If you see different on the Chin Music CBS site, please let me know.
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 11, 2008 23:34:02 GMT -5
As for this FA stuff...... is there anyway we can kinda start slow and let everyone see how it goes for a day or two............ so that a select few GM's who know what is going on don't swoop in and get all the good players in one or two days before the rest of us figure out what we're doing?
My concern is, I'm guessing MOST bids turned in will end up being invalid based on criteria. Can we have a grace period where if a bid is invalid, we get an email telling us it is invalid and allowing us to try to correct it and get in a legal bid on the player?
How will those in the league office make their bids on players? Is there anything in place to ensure that it is completely legit, or are we left to just trust those in the league office? How many GM's have access to that league office account?
Thanks for your time.
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 12, 2008 1:52:48 GMT -5
Tyler, FYI...... I do not believe the CBS site is going to allow you to count the Japan games in week one. I notice in my own league that it does not give me an option to set a lineup for those days. If you see different on the Chin Music CBS site, please let me know. Scratch that. I found where you can set it begin the season on MARCH 25. |
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 12, 2008 2:32:58 GMT -5
As for this FA stuff...... is there anyway we can kinda start slow and let everyone see how it goes for a day or two............ so that a select few GM's who know what is going on don't swoop in and get all the good players in one or two days before the rest of us figure out what we're doing? My concern is, I'm guessing MOST bids turned in will end up being invalid based on criteria. Can we have a grace period where if a bid is invalid, we get an email telling us it is invalid and allowing us to try to correct it and get in a legal bid on the player? How will those in the league office make their bids on players? Is there anything in place to ensure that it is completely legit, or are we left to just trust those in the league office? How many GM's have access to that league office account? Thanks for your time. What I will do is allow the team with the highest bid (if it happens to be invalid) amend the structure to make it valid. I'm pretty sure the only problems people could possibly have is with the percentage of backloading or frontloading. As I said, this would only need to apply to the person with the highest AAS in the event that that individual submitted an invalid bid. In that way, there will be a grace period at the beginning. I have no problem thoroughly answering any questions anyone may have prior to the bid deadline, so don't hesitate to ask. Being familiar with the system doesn't translate to success within the system. It's basically a crap shoot. You really don't know how much another guy values a FA until you see his bid...this brings me to the integrity of the system. The only real 'proof' that you have is in the status of your PM. If you look in your outbox after you send the PM to the MLBPA account, it will show that it has not been opened. If you wanted to watch those messages like a hawk to make sure that I didn't open them before the bidding period ends (I am the only one with access to that account at this time) be my guest. If you feel that you need to do this though, you probably have serious doubts about me as a commissioner and a person and if I felt that way about my commissioner, I'd probably drop that league. |
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 12, 2008 3:07:07 GMT -5
As for this FA stuff...... is there anyway we can kinda start slow and let everyone see how it goes for a day or two............ so that a select few GM's who know what is going on don't swoop in and get all the good players in one or two days before the rest of us figure out what we're doing? My concern is, I'm guessing MOST bids turned in will end up being invalid based on criteria. Can we have a grace period where if a bid is invalid, we get an email telling us it is invalid and allowing us to try to correct it and get in a legal bid on the player? How will those in the league office make their bids on players? Is there anything in place to ensure that it is completely legit, or are we left to just trust those in the league office? How many GM's have access to that league office account? Thanks for your time. What I will do is allow the team with the highest bid (if it happens to be invalid) amend the structure to make it valid. I'm pretty sure the only problems people could possibly have is with the percentage of backloading or frontloading. As I said, this would only need to apply to the person with the highest AAS in the event that that individual submitted an invalid bid. In that way, there will be a grace period at the beginning. I have no problem thoroughly answering any questions anyone may have prior to the bid deadline, so don't hesitate to ask. Being familiar with the system doesn't translate to success within the system. It's basically a crap shoot. You really don't know how much another guy values a FA until you see his bid...this brings me to the integrity of the system. The only real 'proof' that you have is in the status of your PM. If you look in your outbox after you send the PM to the MLBPA account, it will show that it has not been opened. If you wanted to watch those messages like a hawk to make sure that I didn't open them before the bidding period ends (I am the only one with access to that account at this time) be my guest. If you feel that you need to do this though, you probably have serious doubts about me as a commissioner and a person and if I felt that way about my commissioner, I'd probably drop that league. Nobody said anything about having doubts about you. Notice, I asked how many others had access to that account? It's a legit question. Nothing wrong with wanting to know what safeguards are in place to ensure everything is legit. If more GM's than you have access to that account, then absolutely, I have concerns. But it has nothing to do with you personally. |
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Mar 12, 2008 15:41:37 GMT -5
I almost wouldn't think that is the case, and here is why. The number of restricted and franchise players we have will or can differ from year to year, based on the salary cap of our real-life MLB team. So if I use both of my franchise options and all of a sudden my team goes up to a level where I only have one franchise option, then it would be a major problem. Not sure this is the case. We'll have to wait for an official answer from the commish. Correct, those franchise and restricted options are PER YEAR. They are designed mainly to keep the smaller market teams competitive by enabling them to keep their young players who may still be receiving a series of 1 year contracts but are ineligible for prospect protection. You'll find that each year, each team will have quite a few free agents, so there will still be turnover. If a franchise tag was tied up for the length of the contract, free agency would be insane. I was just looking over the rules and it seems like it says if you restrict a FA you can take on that player for multiple years. So if you franchise a player, you are can only have that player for 1 year, i know you can franchise him the next year too, but if you restrict him there is a possibility of keeping him long term? If that is not the case and you can only keep that restricted player for 1 year, how is that 1 years salary determined? Would it be the AAS of the top bid on that player or would it be the first year's salary of the winning bid? |
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 12, 2008 16:21:38 GMT -5
Correct, those franchise and restricted options are PER YEAR. They are designed mainly to keep the smaller market teams competitive by enabling them to keep their young players who may still be receiving a series of 1 year contracts but are ineligible for prospect protection. You'll find that each year, each team will have quite a few free agents, so there will still be turnover. If a franchise tag was tied up for the length of the contract, free agency would be insane. I was just looking over the rules and it seems like it says if you restrict a FA you can take on that player for multiple years. So if you franchise a player, you are can only have that player for 1 year, i know you can franchise him the next year too, but if you restrict him there is a possibility of keeping him long term? If that is not the case and you can only keep that restricted player for 1 year, how is that 1 years salary determined? Would it be the AAS of the top bid on that player or would it be the first year's salary of the winning bid? It's my understanding that if you franchise him, you can keep him at the new real-life MLB contract that he signs. But if you restrict him, it is bidding for him among owners in this league, and then you have the option of matching the highest bid. |
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