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Post by clegend33 on Mar 4, 2008 20:36:51 GMT -5
THe O's GM notified me that he was told by the league office today that Delmon Young becomes a free agent after this 2008 season because of his contract.
Someone want to clear this up?
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Post by estaban22 on Mar 4, 2008 21:03:34 GMT -5
Looks that way... I am in a similar situation with Andrew Miller and I was told the same thing.
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 4, 2008 21:17:37 GMT -5
Makes no sense. He should be prospect protected.
I checked all the rules, and I see nothing like that at all.
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 4, 2008 21:18:19 GMT -5
Angels, who told you that? That commish?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 21:26:39 GMT -5
I could be wrong here, but its my understanding that a player qualifies for prospect status under two circumstances
1 they are under or have qualified for prospect status with enough AB'S or IP
2 they are not under a current MLB contract.
This is also applied to others like Verlander as well. They have signed MLB contracts, i.e. David Price.
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 4, 2008 21:57:26 GMT -5
I could be wrong here, but its my understanding that a player qualifies for prospect status under two circumstances 1 they are under or have qualified for prospect status with enough AB'S or IP 2 they are not under a current MLB contract. This is also applied to others like Verlander as well. They have signed MLB contracts, i.e. David Price. Correct. Justin Upton is another example, he won't get his full prospect protection due to the contract he signed. I thought everyone was aware of this |
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 4, 2008 21:59:14 GMT -5
Ok, but that does not really mean Young is a FA. I can keep him at his new contract, correct?
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 4, 2008 22:08:12 GMT -5
I guess that means I'll have to designate him as my franchise player after this season, which means I will get to resign him, without competition, for his real MLB contract, correct?
If he signs a new contract during this comign season, what does that mean to our league? Do I get to keep him at that new contract?
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 4, 2008 22:13:20 GMT -5
How do we determine who is under a MLB contract and who is not?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 22:17:28 GMT -5
you can keep him using one of your options, be it franchise or restricted free agent, i do believe. and as far as i've been told (i was actually checking up on this info today) nothing that happens during the season means anything contract wise. a guy is under the contract he had at the start of the season all season long. if the years on the contract you have him under expire at the end of the season, you can franchise him under the remaining terms of the new contract/extension he signed during the season.
brad hawpe being an example. signs a new deal yesterday, but i have him for just one year still. i can franchise him at the end of the season though and take on the remaining years in his new contract.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2008 22:19:24 GMT -5
as far as figuring out a major league contract, if they're making over 400k/year, that's a prospect protection ending, major league contract in this league. or if they've broken the 150/50 benchmark over four years ago.
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 5, 2008 7:26:08 GMT -5
I believe a lot of players just lost their prospect protection now that we are finding out this rule. I know, none of the GM's I talk to in IMs and PMs had any idea of this rule.
This makes Felix Hernandez a non-prospect, because he makes more than .400. Yet, I'm pretty sure I had him on my original protected list and showed him as prospect protected.
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 5, 2008 7:56:49 GMT -5
I'd like for someone to show me where it says this in our rules. I'd also like to say, I would have never traded for Delmon Young or drafted Casey Kotchman had I known their contracts were for one year only.
I just checked the rules, and while it is possible I overlooked it, I cannot find anything that says what we're now saying in this thread. What I did find does not say what we're saying above, instead mentions a minor signing a bigger deal than .400 but does not say the rest.
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This also applies to the 4 years of Prospect Protection, once those Career AB or IP have been reached, the following season will be that player's first year of prospect protection. This cut off is done to ensure that September Call Ups will still be protected fully for the next season when they actually start contributing to the Major League team on a full time basis. During this time, players will count 400K/yr, unless they have signed a more lucrative deal. After 4 years in the league (after eclipsing 150 AB or 50 IP), that player will then become a free agent, subject to normal free agent rules, Franchise or Restricted Options and so on.
***This does NOT apply to foreign players who sign huge contracts without previously recording a single ML AB or IP. These players will be counted against the cap at their real life contracts. The same goes for Minor Leaguers without game experience. If they happened to sign a lucrative deal (in excess of 400K/yr) they too will be costed at whatever the terms of their real life contract as stated by Cotts.
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Post by clegend33 on Mar 5, 2008 9:17:39 GMT -5
By looking at the rosters around the league, it is apparent that very few knew about this rule. I notice the commish has a player with a contract greater than .400 that he has as PP on his roster. I also notice that the Rays GM, a former member of the league office, has Kazmir PP with a salary of nearly $4 mil, and Rick Porcello as possibly PP, though he was signed to a contract well over $1 mil per year.
I counted at least 7 teams that had players with contracts greater than .400 who were marked as PP.
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Mar 5, 2008 9:31:46 GMT -5
I think if the player has a contract of lets say .425 they can still be prospect protected. Those players are still on their original contracts but they received raises. Its when a player gets a larger contract to buy out their arbitration years is when they no longer go by the prospect rules. Because of this, I would agree with you about Kazmir.
It looks to me like Felix Hernandez is protected for another year because his salary is just above the 400k mark.
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Post by Rangers GM (jfleming) on Mar 5, 2008 10:04:48 GMT -5
Unless I'm mistaken I think the rule applies to guys that have signed multi year deals rather than the normal prospect deal. For instance, Troy Tulowitzki signed a 7 year deal. He no longer has prospect protection for the next 2 years, and is being paid on his 7 year deal. Delmon Young didn't get the normal prospect resigning contract. He signed his own long term deal nullifying his prospect status.
You may have noticed in the news that Prince Fielder was mad about his contract. He wanted a long term multimillion dollar deal. The Brewers resigned him for 600,000 which is still a normal salary for a player with less than 4 years. He wanted a long term deal that would have cut out any prospect protection like Tulo or Delmon Young already recieved.
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Mar 5, 2008 10:29:54 GMT -5
I believe a lot of players just lost their prospect protection now that we are finding out this rule. I know, none of the GM's I talk to in IMs and PMs had any idea of this rule. This makes Felix Hernandez a non-prospect, because he makes more than .400. Yet, I'm pretty sure I had him on my original protected list and showed him as prospect protected. It's not about having a guy over 400k/yr, it's about the terms of their contract. Most players who have not yet been eligible for arbitration are on a series of 1 year contracts, if this is the case-for the most part (there will be special circumstances)- the player is still eligible for protection. Papelbon is thus eligible as well as Felix and many others. Brett happens to be wrong in his cases- neither Kazmir or Porcello are protected or could be eligible for protection following their contracts. |
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Post by bull on Mar 5, 2008 10:38:41 GMT -5
(there will be special circumstances)- what is that?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2008 10:45:51 GMT -5
It really boils down to the type of contract more than the pay. Guys like Felix and Fielder are making more than 400k per yer, I have yet to update my team page to reflect each exact salary, but they have not signed MLB long term contract OR exceeded their five years of eligibility. Case in point, Miguel Cabrera. This league was started, based in part, on people tired of losing guys like Cabrera or having to FRANCHISE them year after year if they didnt sign long term. Deals like Tulowitzki got are not the norm, they are the exception.
Some big names, usually first overall picks or some even in the top ten, usually sign four or five year MLB contracts and are also usually playing in their first year or two outside of being drafted. Therefore if they only have a few years of being protected after they start playing, thats the nature of the beast. There will be more cases where the rules will help people, as opposed to hurt them.
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Post by diehl034 on Mar 5, 2008 11:31:30 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused about this.
I'm still a bit drunk, but I think that I read that "anyone that signs a contract" cannot be under this prospect rule.
As far as I know, everyone that plays baseball professionally signs a contract first. So that would rule out everyone?
I don't mean to be an ass but thats what I think I am reading.
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Post by estaban22 on Mar 5, 2008 11:56:51 GMT -5
multi-year contract.
If the player is within his protection/arbitration years (total of six years) with the MLB team, and he signs a series of one year contracts, he is prospect protected here.
If he signs a multiyear deal with the team (i.e. a contract that is not a one year deal) then he is not prospect protected.
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