SAWX/STROS

[The Ghost of Swo]

The Sox and Stros have agreed to a deal that sends Jose Valverde (and his franchise tag) to Boston in return for Ryan Franklin and Chad Tracy.

i think a veto is due in this matter, for fear of revolt from the league.

no official decision from me yet, but if we could get this knocked out as quickly as possible it would be appreciated.

[robinhj99]

Unless we get guidelines for what the criteria is for vetoing (I would follow them) I will not veto without suspicion of collusion.

Approval #1

That said, if the powers that be nix this trade out of fear of revolt, I will not protest that my vote was not heard. However, I do think that Ty should be able to rip off other teams , and I worry that a veto sets a precedent that Ty (or SWO) can only engage in trades that are neutral or they lose, and will never be able to "win" a trade. But really, what were the Astros thinking.

I'm also shocked to see 3 terrible trades in such a short time period. For the sake of the league we need something to make sure our owners are competent/faithful.

An idea I had (I bring it up here for a smaller audience) is that all new GM's pay a fee to enter this league ($100). This fee will be returned after (6 months? 1 year?) of activity. They would not be judged on quality of moves, but the idea being this would force people to stick around. I have no problem with a franchise being run to the ground as long as the GM sticks around to try and fix it.

[Deleted]

I think the trade should stand. If we veto it, we are back at square one again. We have established with the Granderson trade that only collusion should be a factor or a new GM. The 'Stros GM has made other trades and they have been fine, so he knows what he is doing.

Approval #2.

We can't let Granderson go through and not this one. The only issue, as Robin stated, is most likely because Ty is involved.

Magically, its the same GM's moaning and bitching about it.

[The Ghost of Swo]

we never said collusion is the only thing that makes a trade vetoable... if you choose to vote that way that is fine, but dont act under the assumption that that is our sole goal...luckily Ty and I are the only ones who get blamed for things, so i dont mind continually being the bront of frustration. This trade is essentially an agin middle reliever and a bench bat with little power for a top 5 closer... we already vetoed a trade that was worse than this... the Putz trade (although the panel wasnt involved in that). The salaries are very comparable, trading valverde in no way helps the astros.

Part of the criteria i use for evaulating trades is would i be willing to offer more than the trade on the table. Its not the end all be all, but i def take that into account.

I know Ty, ive been in this situation. He had a trade and he prob thought it was vetoable, but in accepting trades we act like any GM. any trade we get that we want we post and accept... whether we think it will be vetoed or not. i dont know if Ty thinks this is a fair trade i havent talked to him. obviously he wants the trade to be passed because he is fleecing the other guy.

If we want to decide that collusion is all we review on, this league is gonna become lopsided very fast. but w.e.

I Veto #1

[tfelsmaier]

This trade helps out the Astros in only one way. He fills his CI need but with someone who has only played 164 games in the past two years.

The Astros only reduces his salary minimally. He decreases his RP production. So needless to say, this trade has no value for his team or the harmony of the league.

Veto #2

[Deleted]

here to vote, finally.

i don't think this should be vetoed. i don't believe it fits into my definition. as has been mentioned, i find the brian roberts trade more questionable than this one. i'm never against one team getting a better deal than another, and i don't think ty, of all people, was going about creating this deal unfairly.

at the same time, if ty wants to save himself some grief and rework the deal ever so slightly, go nuts. i don't think it's necessary, but god knows there will be teams bitching about it, so i'm all for a reworking if the sox and astros decide to do that. but i just can't get behind forcing them to do that, not on this deal.

approval #3

[The Ghost of Swo]

Ty has informed me that despite the trade being approved.... he will be re-working his trade with the Astros.