Phillies/Rays (Granderson)

[robinhj99]

I am not going to veto this trade. The Phillies are run by a competent, active owner, who I think made a mistake. Since there is no suspicion of collusion, or risk of the Phillies running his team down and abandoning, I don't see any reason to veto this trade.

[Deleted]

all i know is the royals jumped the gun, sticking his nose where it did not belong. fortunately for both teams in the trade, his actions didn't screw up the deal. still, someone (i nominate swo) should make sure he knows to keep his mouth shut until a deal is officially confirmed.

that being said, i agree w/ the indians for the most part. i don't see anything collusion-y, but would understand anyone who did want to vote to veto. i though, will not.

approval #2

[The Ghost of Swo]

ive in the past tried to tell him to keep those kind ofcommetns to himself and he made fun of me and hurt my feelings

[Deleted]

I guess we really need to define why a trade should be vetoed going forward. Yes many trades seem like idiotic ones to some of us, but if the GM's know what they are doing, we have to let most pass. Since we have established the main point on this trade being collusion, then I vote to approve since we know, or at least hope, Brett is not running the Phillies.

Approval #3

[Red Sox GM (Ty)]

I know we've got the votes to approve, but I anticipate some backlash over whatever decision we come to. Because of that, I thought it would be good to release some kind of statement about the exact role of the panel. Is it simply to prevent collusion? Or is it to keep a guy from getting screwed? My personal feeling is that I just don't want to ever have to contract any teams from the league. I want to stay at 30 teams for the duration, and I fear that as we go along, if we don't either 1) fill the league with 30 competent owners or 2) step in as a panel when we see a team getting run into the ground, that won't happen. This has very little to do with this trade, but more a general philosophy of the panel. Personally, I don't like the trade for the Phillies, but I'm not concerned about them abandoning their team. I see this deal as very borderline, and I know that either way we vote, we're going to piss some people off. I'd like to get some opinions from the panel members, so I know where we're at in terms of a purpose moving forward.

[Deleted]

Ok, I think that in order to prevent backlash, it needs to be stated that the panel has spoken with both parties and that there is no collusion AND the Phillies GM has a plan in place.

Having said that, this goes against the C.C. trade, but in our defense, that player was eventually traded AND he got more talent back AND he dumped more salary with it too. Hernandez is not a $8M dollar a year player.

How does that sound?

[Red Sox GM (Ty)]

Sounds OK, but the thing that I think we need to arrive at is what is the goal of the TRP? Prevent collusion or prevent collusion AND make sure teams aren't getting ripped off (which leads to people dropping out which leads to possible contraction)?

[Deleted]

Both really. I have never been in a league, where a team outside of the deal drops out if a trade is vetoed. That is because no one else in the league has a problem with it usually. The main reason we are all in place is because most GM's respect us as fellow GM's. Along with that comes our value system. We do what is best for the league. It does the league no good to have a GM just give up his team and move on. The Phillies GM, in this case, has been active and seems to have a plan.

We are not here to prevent a juggernaut of a team from forming, but merely to make sure if such a team or teams come about, they are done so fairly and equally. I cant get mad at a team for getting better if they are giving up talent via minor leaguers or what the other team is looking for.

Ultimately, our only real say so is on trades. GM's still have the power to drop anybody or bid ridiculously for any player they want. We are merely a stop gap for the most popular and common way that leagues like this get ruined. We are not the gods of Chin Music, but we are able to make our decisions based on what is best for the league to OPERATE and maintain OPERATION as seemlessly as possible.

[Deleted]

And if they still don't like our decisions, then they can take the granny's place in my avatar.

[The Ghost of Swo]

well i have talked to the phillies.. he has a plan more or less but admits this trade is a horrible trade and he had a brain fart... i dont think his lapse in judgement is grounds for a veto... but just saying... i dont want anyone's vote to change because of this info, becuase thats not fair to brett.. just sayin


as to the goal of the TRP... ideally it would be to prevent collusion and nothign else (i a big beleiver in laissez-faire)... but unfortunately that isnt what is best for the league in my eyes. we need to mae sure teams arent run into the ground (i.e. the Indians former GM)... what makes this difficult is we are then basing our decisions not only on the players invovled but the GMs involved... Ill amdit i was skeptical of the CC trade because i dont trust the ANgels as a GM... he seems knowledgable ish but it seems to me this league is over his head... i diddnt want him to ruin his team and then have to find some poor sapp to take it over with nothing, when the team should be stacked (and is for the most part)... but this trade is pretty bad as well but we all seem to have some trust in the Phils as a GM (whether that is warranted or not)... but in my eyes thats part of our job ifd the Mariners make a marginally bad trade ill be more willing to allow it because i feel he is gonna be in the league for a while.

Im not sure this should all go into our announcement of how we evaluate trades but nonetheless thats how i do and will continue to value trades that are borderline .

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Dec 20, 2008 22:17:18 GMT -5 @depotvendor said:

And if they still don't like our decisions, then they can take the granny's place in my avatar.

you sir, are in avatar contention.

as far as this note to the league goes, it would be awesome if at some point it mentioned, word for word, "stupid fucking assholes sticking their goddamn noses into shit it does not belong in." or, you know, something like that.

seriously though, the royals aren't the first to comment on a trade before it's confirmed, people need to be reminded.

for me, collusion and blatant highway robbery are the reasons i choose to veto. i see this deal as lopsided, not highway robbery. one team ends up getting less, but for one team that's just a great deal. and that's ok by me.

[The Ghost of Swo]

Im pissed where the fuck are the Avatar Power rankings Kyle... u dangled that out there, i made my push a while back and now nothing... i feel cheated and a bit used

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Dec 22, 2008 3:24:45 GMT -5 The Ghost of Swo said:

Im pissed where the f**k are the Avatar Power rankings Kyle... u dangled that out there, i made my push a while back and now nothing... i feel cheated and a bit used

santa claus is coming to town...