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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 10:51:41 GMT -5
First we have to sperate MLB from fantasy as thats never a good comparison. Following Comments are not directed at the twins but the league as a whole. Why do you (league members) always say that? Couldnt be any further from the truth. The entire point of this league is to model it after a MLB franchise, granted we dont have defensive categories but who gives a shit. This is as close as you cant get to being a MLB GM without actually being one so the fact that someone always brings that up is just ........ (would have offended someone so ill just leave it out) ........ Maybe if we were talking about a free 10 team yahoo league but we arent. Wea are talking about a 30 team fantasy league with salary caps, free agents, franchise tags and minor leagues. What more do you need to know to finally come to terms with the fact that this type of league is meant to be modeled after a MLB franchise philosophy?
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Post by jjbanks on May 13, 2008 11:05:06 GMT -5
I hear what your saying but again in the MLB M/L's can be called up and may or may not help out their teams offensively. Here unfortunatly we rely on teams calling up their players and playing them to poss reap the benefits. We cant rely on our M/L's (unless they're studs) to produce fantasy points for us. I dont know what other times this was brought up but in this situation we cannot run our teams as MLB teams do, it doesnt work.
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on May 13, 2008 11:15:41 GMT -5
First we have to sperate MLB from fantasy as thats never a good comparison. Following Comments are not directed at the twins but the league as a whole. Why do you (league members) always say that? Couldnt be any further from the truth. The entire point of this league is to model it after a MLB franchise, granted we dont have defensive categories but who gives a shit. This is as close as you cant get to being a MLB GM without actually being one so the fact that someone always brings that up is just ........ (would have offended someone so ill just leave it out) ........ Maybe if we were talking about a free 10 team yahoo league but we arent. Wea are talking about a 30 team fantasy league with salary caps, free agents, franchise tags and minor leagues. What more do you need to know to finally come to terms with the fact that this type of league is meant to be modeled after a MLB franchise philosophy? Im not 100% sure but to go with what youre saying; in the real baseball, when a player goes on to the DL they do not add a player to the 40 man roster. They are added to the 25man active roster. Like I said earlier - I really dont care either way. One thing I do not like is trying to change the rules in-season. Im definatly not saying you did this - but - if this rule were to be put in place I do see an advantage for you. Its not really an advantage but there is a chance if this rule was in place at the begginng of the year I would have tried to pickup a player like Mark Prior. I didnt because I knew he would probably be out for the year, wasting a roster spot (among other reasons). In summary- the rule doesnt bother me, but I think it should be brought up next year.
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 11:21:52 GMT -5
Following Comments are not directed at the twins but the league as a whole. Why do you (league members) always say that? Couldnt be any further from the truth. The entire point of this league is to model it after a MLB franchise, granted we dont have defensive categories but who gives a shit. This is as close as you cant get to being a MLB GM without actually being one so the fact that someone always brings that up is just ........ (would have offended someone so ill just leave it out) ........ Maybe if we were talking about a free 10 team yahoo league but we arent. Wea are talking about a 30 team fantasy league with salary caps, free agents, franchise tags and minor leagues. What more do you need to know to finally come to terms with the fact that this type of league is meant to be modeled after a MLB franchise philosophy? Im not 100% sure but to go with what youre saying; in the real baseball, when a player goes on to the DL they do not add a player to the 40 man roster. They are added to the 25man active roster. Like I said earlier - I really dont care either way. One thing I do not like is trying to change the rules in-season. Im definatly not saying you did this - but - if this rule were to be put in place I do see an advantage for you. Its not really an advantage but there is a chance if this rule was in place at the begginng of the year I would have tried to pickup a player like Mark Prior. I didnt because I knew he would probably be out for the year, wasting a roster spot (among other reasons). In summary- the rule doesnt bother me, but I think it should be brought up next year. If I was going to make this change an advantage for me i would not have waitted to bring it up until Jimmy Rollins/Scott Kazmir/John Lackey All came off the DL, so not sure what your trying to say about me as a person but so far i dont like where its going.
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on May 13, 2008 11:28:53 GMT -5
Im not 100% sure but to go with what youre saying; in the real baseball, when a player goes on to the DL they do not add a player to the 40 man roster. They are added to the 25man active roster. Like I said earlier - I really dont care either way. One thing I do not like is trying to change the rules in-season. Im definatly not saying you did this - but - if this rule were to be put in place I do see an advantage for you. Its not really an advantage but there is a chance if this rule was in place at the begginng of the year I would have tried to pickup a player like Mark Prior. I didnt because I knew he would probably be out for the year, wasting a roster spot (among other reasons). In summary- the rule doesnt bother me, but I think it should be brought up next year. If I was going to make this change an advantage for me i would not have waitted to bring it up until Jimmy Rollins/Scott Kazmir/John Lackey All came off the DL, so not sure what your trying to say about me as a person but so far i dont like where its going. It wasnt an attack at you at all, it was an example. At the beginnign of the year everyone (i think) was under the impression 25 MLBers 15MiLBers. 8 MLB bench. I might have wanted to pick up a Mark Prior - Chris Ray - type player if I had known that I would be able to stash him on the DL and not use one of 8 MLB bench spots. I didnt mean to offend you the main point of my response was that you said you want it to be like real MLB but in real life when a player gets hurt, they do not add a player to the 40 man roster. Once again - I dont care if it is implemented; im just not a fan of changing/adding rules midseason.
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 11:43:59 GMT -5
Very true but they can actually call up players from their 40 to their active, we cant. I dont see why we can all just come to terms with the fact our players cannot choose which team to play for, we cannot make a MLB team call up a minor leaguer, and we cant prevent injury. These are restriction that i just assumed everybody knew about, but apparently I need to state the obvious more often.
How do we counter the fact that a player cannot choose which team he wants to play for = We just give him to the team thats willing to pay the most.
How do we counter the fact that we cannot control who gets called up and who doesnt = The ability to use all of the 45 man roster on CBS so we are ready when they do get called up
How do we counter the fact that we cant prevent injuries = We dont but we should with 2 DL spots
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Post by The Ghost of Swo on May 13, 2008 14:16:24 GMT -5
I dont want to speak for Ty but i cannot imagine a situation where we change the rules midseason... I agree with Brett that i think a DL spot or two would be helpful to certain teams (namely me as i have about 4 or 5 guys out right now). But its also true that we have 22 bench spots. So I dont quite know where i fall on this question. Ty is right in saying it doesnt make a lot of sense to replace a guy on the 15 day DL via FA, but i think we should leave it to the individual GM to waste money and cap space.
i guess to summarize, ill say i think we should implement some form of DL system, but not until this season is over. I think a DL system would change the general strategy in the league for many people, and it wouldnt be fair to those GMs.
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Post by The Ghost of Swo on May 13, 2008 14:17:00 GMT -5
if that didnt make sense i apologize i just finsied a 2 hour economics class and decided it was time to start drinking, even if i do have another class soon.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on May 13, 2008 15:30:16 GMT -5
I have a ton of injured guys and it's not bothering me any. It's fine how it is for me because everyone has to play by the same rules. Injuries are a part of the game if you can't put someone in their place then you can't. Right now I have two guys in my lineup everyday that rarely see the field. Shit happens.
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 17:27:33 GMT -5
Well if it changes it changes for everyone just like if it doesnt its the same for everyone so im not really sure how it changes strategy for anyone, if someone could explain that aspect of how it would change strategy please enlighten me.
Nats dont care cause they cant win.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on May 13, 2008 21:22:32 GMT -5
Nats dont care cause they cant win. At least I don't cry about it. I care plenty, I'm on this site more than anyone in the league (except maybe the League Office). I try to improve my team through trades and FA signings, not by trying to change the rules. I'm sorry I didn't get in the league early enough to inherit such a nice team as the Rays but I think I've done well with what I had.
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Post by reid on May 13, 2008 23:12:12 GMT -5
I agree with you nats. You have done well to improve your team. Brett man it is quite easy to take over a team as the Rays with a ton of young talent and turn it around that quickly. That is how you have made it towards the upper echelon of teams in this league. You left LO in this league, you are a candidate to be replaced in DD although your team is not all that great so I dont really blame you, but still you say on the site there that your on cbs setting your lineup almost every other day, my dealings with you in bigs were quite bad enough as you were a prick to me more often than not, the other leagues your in like TBC I dont see much activity on your part, you call out people here for trying and you dont do much here as it is, and finally you want into my football league as just something else to do. I think you enjoy joining these dynasties to just piss of GM who actually give a shit about their team and the league. Also you posted about a reckless driving charge that you got and you will be in court so that is why you cannot be on this site. Man I am so sad to not see you on tomorrow, but I doubt I will lose sleep over it. It is extremely pathetic in my estimation that you continue to badmouth others when you cannot keep your own shit together. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, do I really pay attention to my teams? If you say you do, I will shit myself cause we all know your lying. I dont care what you say to this post because I wanted to simply point out that everyone is tired of your shit. It is not only me. Get a clue, make some meaningful posts, or shut up and leave the league once and for all.
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Post by Administrator on May 14, 2008 11:06:02 GMT -5
I agree with you nats. You have done well to improve your team. Brett man it is quite easy to take over a team as the Rays with a ton of young talent and turn it around that quickly. That is how you have made it towards the upper echelon of teams in this league. You left LO in this league, you are a candidate to be replaced in DD although your team is not all that great so I dont really blame you, but still you say on the site there that your on cbs setting your lineup almost every other day, my dealings with you in bigs were quite bad enough as you were a prick to me more often than not, the other leagues your in like TBC I dont see much activity on your part, you call out people here for trying and you dont do much here as it is, and finally you want into my football league as just something else to do. I think you enjoy joining these dynasties to just piss of GM who actually give a shit about their team and the league. Also you posted about a reckless driving charge that you got and you will be in court so that is why you cannot be on this site. Man I am so sad to not see you on tomorrow, but I doubt I will lose sleep over it. It is extremely pathetic in my estimation that you continue to badmouth others when you cannot keep your own shit together. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, do I really pay attention to my teams? If you say you do, I will shit myself cause we all know your lying. I dont care what you say to this post because I wanted to simply point out that everyone is tired of your shit. It is not only me. Get a clue, make some meaningful posts, or shut up and leave the league once and for all. I was just pointing out a simple fact you arrogant shit head. I have had a few bad years and this league was where i intended to change my absence sometimes, I'm always there for the offseason no matter what you say, Im open to offers its just yours are always the cream of the crop dog shit offers. I thought our shit was behind us but obviously it is not, Bigs did not fold because of me. I took D&D team over as a favor to rebuild it and i have an excellent crop of young talent ready to kick your sorry ass (Maybin/Bourn/Victorino/Koskansky/B. Ryan/Andrew Miller/Hochevar/Slowey/Bush/Davies/Sowers/Bringac/Pearce/J. Montero/Hagadone/Brackman/Betances) and the best closer in the game Nathan who i can sign LT now. Sure i signed filler guys hoping to compete but I turned that pathetic excuse for a team around and if you want me replaced so bad, fine i did what i was asked to do, just like i was asked by Ty to set the proboards site up for him, I was very clear from the beginning that i was not in charge at all. TBC i have been in for 4 years and have a slew of great talent ready to really give people a run for their money next season (Wright/Weeks/Kendrick/Barton/Pearce/Koshansky/Coghlan/Carlos Pena/X. Nady/Carlos Beltran/Willy Mo/Buck/CC/T. Lincecum/Andrew Miller/Bonser/Guthrie/Albers) so if you have a problem with the way i set up my teams than go f**k yourself but I am clearly not changing the rules just so it helps me, It's a discussion board you f**k**g baby, why get so bent out of shape at the littlest shit like "Nats cant win" I mean dear god were you raised by all women you f**k**g pussy, it's just a statement for this season doesnt mean he wont ever win he is a good owner and havent had a problem with him yet. If you ask me your the one with the problem that needs to get the f**k out, I have done everything asked of me in this league and all i was doing was addressing a "possible" change that helps some of the people ahead of me in the standings a lot more than it helps me so next time you feel like opening your pie hole shit bag, dont, do us all a favor and skin yourself and donate it to a skin cancer charity because in my opinion your a serious waste of yours. Bitch.
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Post by The Ghost of Swo on May 14, 2008 15:23:52 GMT -5
thats what humble, respectful, and non confrontational we were looking for.. and Brett thats not jsut directed at u, the Nats and Royals are all involved here, .....settle down
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Post by The Ghost of Swo on May 14, 2008 15:35:01 GMT -5
Brett what i was saying about it changing strategies, was that people, like i think the cubs said, would have done things differently in the offseason as their plan for the season, such as the Mark Prior thing. If we put in a DL now, it would be the same for everyone, but i just think like some of the other rules we have talked about (i believe we talked about prospect status for FA, and making teams pay for extra roster spots). SInce these rules were not in place to start the season it doesn't seem fair to institute now. Additionally, lets take a team like you where you had a ton of injuries to start the season, it wouldn't be fair to institute it now because if you don't have any more injuries and some other team has a 5 or more injuries later on, they get a competitive advantage that isn't distributed throughout the season and throughout all the teams. Im not quite sure this makes sense, I'm pretty sure the Florida heat is melting my brain.
If there are any more problems let's try keep it as civil as possible and not attack personally attack people.
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Post by Administrator on May 15, 2008 8:04:02 GMT -5
Don't worry Swo, I didnt attack anyone personally first, i just stood up for myself, maybe a little strong language but when you back a Lion into the corner, better look out, all I'm saying. I really could care less if someone gains an advantage with more injuries now that I brought this up after my studs came off the DL. And if it will take the Cubs getting Mark Prior on his roster to get him to agree to do this, he can have the pain in the A$$. He's been so helpful so far
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