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Post by Administrator on May 10, 2008 10:51:15 GMT -5
I had a long well thought out post on here min ago and I clicked spell check to proof it and my IE dumps everything i was working on, so this one is going to be short and sweet.
I petition the league for 2-4 DL spots to be added.
For 20 days of this leagues active scoring i had 32% of my roster out on the DL, i have waited till the worst of my DL troubles is over to bring this up so to negate any sentiments of this being a rule change only to help the Rays. I urge the league to rethink this issue because when teams loose hope frankly leagues loose owners.
I know im not the only one that the DL bug has hit hard but i would appreciate it if the LO will look into this.
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on May 10, 2008 11:22:27 GMT -5
I dont see the need for it because of the 22 bench spots but I dont really oppose it either. I just think its unnecessary.
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Post by jjbanks on May 10, 2008 11:26:38 GMT -5
Thats why we have 22 bench spots. Injuries suck but its part of the game and Brett I know you have played in other dynasties, have you ever seen DL spots?
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Post by Administrator on May 10, 2008 17:19:15 GMT -5
yes
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Post by Administrator on May 10, 2008 17:20:12 GMT -5
Major League Teams have them, we have their roster constraints so why shouldnt we get their DL, make it so once they go on its a 15 day wait to use that player.
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Post by jjbanks on May 10, 2008 17:26:41 GMT -5
But MLB teams use their M/L's to play. Our M/l's dont help us much. with the bidding and contracts I thinkthat would be difficult. Id like to see how its done in other dynasties.
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Post by tylernorton on May 10, 2008 17:50:43 GMT -5
I hope "sorely needed" was a play on words....
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Post by Rangers GM (jfleming) on May 10, 2008 19:11:35 GMT -5
I think a DL spot is needed. If I have a pitcher that has tommy john surgery at the beginning of the year then I just have to have him sit on the bench taking a spot all year. I should be able to go out and sign a person to replace that spot without having to drop him. I think at least one spot would be a big help.
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Post by jjbanks on May 10, 2008 19:17:57 GMT -5
Thats dynasties for ya.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on May 11, 2008 21:41:58 GMT -5
Wait...we don't really have 22 bench spots fellas. You can't really count the minor league as bench.
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on May 11, 2008 23:15:23 GMT -5
Ive been told that you do not have to have a minor league roster. MLBers can be on your minor league roster for some reason. Alot of teams are/have done this. So yea, we do have 22 bench spots.
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Post by Administrator on May 12, 2008 6:31:36 GMT -5
Well yea which is where i have been putting my 8 injured players, but when you have no MLB talent to bring up from the minors its not that much of a help. Im over the worst of it with Jimmy Rollins/John Lackey/Scott Kazmir all coming off the DL within this week(Kazmir last). However i still have Neshak out for the season, Prior still on 60 day DL. these players should be the ones placed on a DL, we could just make it so the player needs to be on the 60-Day DL to qualify if you want, but i still believe its needed. These players would still of course still count against the cap.
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on May 12, 2008 7:44:05 GMT -5
Here's the problem with disabled lists the way I see it: they would add significant confusion to an already hectic league. I mean that several people have illegal rosters as it is (which I will begin to deal with immediately) and adding another rule is one more thing for me to look out for and one more set of rules for everybody to abide by. Beyond that, I can see it being abused. For guys that go on the 15 day DL, do you seriously want to wait for that free agency period to begin and only have an extra guy for at most 15 days? That's not realistic. I can see a decent argument in favor of having a 60 day DL, but to that I would say that you truly do have 22 'empty' roster spots, it's your choice how you fill them. Some people have 20+ minor leaguers. That's fine, that's their choice; however, in doing that they severely limit their amount of guys that can step in in the case of an injury. Those that have a ton of major league talent and not many minor leaguers are well equipped to handle the unexpected injuries that happen throughout the season- obviously with some risk of not having enough for the future. I feel that finding this balance is an important part of our and any dynasty league. This, coupled with the fact that this isn't like yahoo where you can just drop guys after others come off the DL (dropping players have financial consequences and I can see teams getting themselves in trouble) makes me against DL spots. Some teams are incredibly nicked up right now, and I empathize with them. I've had a few injuries this year, and I'm sure every team will have times when they're forced to deal with abnormal amounts of banged up players, but that's part of the league. In short, I really don't see a 15 or 60-day DL, however I will consider allowing a spot or two for players who are officially done for the season. Swo and I will talk that over and I'll make an announcement when a decision has been made. In the meantime, those of you with illegal roster sizes/over the cap, take care of that. I'll be sending PMs and to those that I've already spoken to, I will begin withholding statistics as soon as tomorrow.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on May 12, 2008 7:51:38 GMT -5
I think at most we should just be able to put guys on the DL in the minors, I think that's sufficient.
I was under the impression we had to have at least 15 real minor league guys, is that not right?
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on May 12, 2008 7:59:00 GMT -5
I think at most we should just be able to put guys on the DL in the minors, I think that's sufficient. I was under the impression we had to have at least 15 real minor league guys, is that not right? You can use your minors as a DL. Originally people were going to be required to keep at least 15 minor leaguers (keeping your farm team for minor leaguers only); however, I think GM's should make their own choices and find a balance between playing for now and keeping a good young base for the future. So they won't work exactly like DL spots because they don't expand your roster, however if you'd like to stash major leaguers (injured or not) on your farm team, that's your prerogative. |
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on May 12, 2008 8:50:44 GMT -5
Good deal
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Post by Administrator on May 12, 2008 12:11:56 GMT -5
In reference to Ty's original post
I agree with the added responsibility but you can disable a players stats in the admin functions of cbs. So i believe that only two 60-day DL spots is more than adequate to help the teams that are suffering. This can be easily controlled through the disablement of stats on cbs and if we have a category created on proboards for Disabled List and that player as soon as he goes on must be on there for 60 days no matter what, its final once you post. In the admin functions on proboards you can adjust the category or thread (i forget) so it cannot be modified at all. It would then be up to the players team to request that player be activated only after the 60 days are up.
Just a suggestion but i believe that once this is done it will take minimal management by the LO to keep it up and running smoothly. You can even pick someone that is completely against having a DL to monitor it just like we chose the Trade Review Pannel, I'm sure nobody will be opposed to bettering the league.
IMHO
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Post by Administrator on May 12, 2008 12:14:13 GMT -5
You could even make it so the day that you historically have the most free time for the only day that requests need to be in by.
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Post by estaban22 on May 12, 2008 15:06:18 GMT -5
What about the case where a player is going to be out longer then 60 days, but the team only puts them on the 15 day DL... For example, Troy Tulowitski is likely out till the All Star Break, yet the Rockies only put him on the 15 day DL (I know there is a reason for doing this, although I'm not entirely sure why they do it). I think Vernon Wells is currently in the same situation. I think that it's usually the practice of big league teams to put guys on the 15 day DL unless they have to. For this reason, I'm not sure limiting access to players that only on the 60 day DL will solve the problem anyway.
I personally could care less if we have DL spots or not... I currently have like 7 or 8 guys on the DL so this would help me some although I'm not entirely sure that it is necessarily given how many additional spots we have.
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Post by clegend33 on May 12, 2008 16:19:32 GMT -5
I don't really see a need for DL myself, but am not opposed to having DL spots.
However, I do believe we need a waiver system, where players that are dropped, like Anthony Reyes today, could be claimed at his current salary by highest seed in the waiver order.
If he goes unclaimed, then he goes to being a FA and his former owner is responsible for 1/2 of his salary. He could then be posted later if someone wanted.
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 5:35:47 GMT -5
Lets try and resolve one issue at a time lol  As for Johns concern, that is a very good point but i believe that we can police that ourselves successfully. 15 - 60 day is not the main concern its weather or not they are out for an extended period supposedly longer than 60 days |
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Post by jjbanks on May 13, 2008 6:33:08 GMT -5
What about Teams with no cap room?
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 6:56:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure how that has any affect on the DL issue.
You are already paying them so when you put them on the DL i would just assume that you keep paying them. My intent of bringing this up was not for cap relief, just to manage the injury situation.
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 6:57:12 GMT -5
I think i just figured out what you meant
You mean what about teams with no cap room and are unable to sign anyone new, correct?
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Post by jjbanks on May 13, 2008 7:12:21 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 7:36:08 GMT -5
well i would say, tough luck then. this would already be a help and i dont see a reason at all to give teams anymore.
IMHO
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Post by jjbanks on May 13, 2008 8:00:22 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly tough luck all around, wether you need to cut players to afford FA's or to make space on a roster. Tough decisions but thats part of playing in leagues like this no?
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Post by Administrator on May 13, 2008 8:37:02 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly tough luck all around, wether you need to cut players to afford FA's or to make space on a roster. Tough decisions but thats part of playing in leagues like this no? Exactly but i still dont think that it should apply to players that are out for the season or on the 60 day DL. salary is something you can plan for injuries are not, i realize that injuries are a part of the game but just because he is injured for the season or 60 days does that mean you should basically get one less roster spot? I dont believe so, mlb doesnt seem to think so so why should we? i mean shit my roster was down to 36 by those standards and that means im down to 21 active roster spots because i do have 15 guys in the minors or more to tell you the truth but when i signed them i was under the impression they were going to be MLB'ers. So you cant say "Oh well your just stupid for not using your minor leagues" well thats not what the "MINOR" Leagues are for i mean if they were to just extend the roster than why even list anything to do with Minor Leaguers, just call it "Extension of you Major League Roster" or something, because thats what i hear is being implied, am i wrong? 2 DL spots would not hurt anyone and would help the entire league and i dont believe it is an unreasonable petition. |
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Post by jjbanks on May 13, 2008 9:09:26 GMT -5
First we have to sperate MLB from fantasy as thats never a good comparison. You admitt that you hoped some M/L's would help you bt thats your choice. They still might its only May. Minors are tottally diff in Fantasy I agree but we have the ability to trade/drop MLB-M/L players to add new ones. IF a player goes down for the seaon, gets demoted, sits on the bench or just plain sucks its all pretty much the same. We added a player we thought would help and it didnt work.
We have a set roster with the ability to shape it as we see fit, so all decisions even if they dont work are our choices. And Like I said there are other ways to add players unfortunatly it entails losing players sometimes.
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Post by robinhj99 on May 13, 2008 9:29:41 GMT -5
I don't have a strong opinion either way, but just wanted to participate in the discussion.
What comes to my mind is that this adds another layer to how to approach a win now strategy. Do you stock up on reserves so you can mitigate for injuries? Or do you prepare to trade B prospects for everyday or role players to stay in the hunt? It seems to me, I have not looked over injury plagued rosters, that the way to go would be to trade players not helping now, for ones that are, if the goal is to win now. I mean free agency is not offering too many players that will be helpful this year, so i am not sure how picking them up will help.
This is not something I have to worry about as I have a win 2015 approach at this point. And of course it is just my opinion, which, by using my team as a barometer, should probably be immediately dismissed.
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