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Post by Giants GM (Adkins) on Jan 16, 2020 12:17:15 GMT -5
This voting pressure...Seems Black kevin is a Hillary supporter...
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 12:19:38 GMT -5
We have never had a straight vote decide things here. We're listening to discussion and we will figure out if changes need to be made. Just like we do with every potential rule change. I'd like to hear other voices here on either side besides yours tbh. Okay, just because we havent done that doesnt mean we shouldn't or cant. I'm requesting it and there has yet to he a logical reason why to not do a vote.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 12:20:25 GMT -5
This voting pressure...Seems Black kevin is a Hillary supporter... Seems like Adkins is a Biden supporter 🤢🤮
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 12:29:22 GMT -5
I will also propose a potential compromise what if there were 1 sp slot and 8 p slots? A middle ground or worse?
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 16, 2020 12:30:50 GMT -5
What does fairness have to do with anything? The rule would change for everyone. I suppose u think the juiced ball isnt fair as well? Even though every team uses it... If we all had no players currently under contract then it wouldnt matter. But some teams are more set up for RP being more valuable than others are. Completely agree, this helps those who are set up and can pivot versus those who've already invested in their lineups. I think if this rules is implemented will be implemented in 5 years. I can get behind it but this seems to greatly favor rebuilding/teams who don't have contracts. I just think that's a huge market shift over 3 spots. I just don't get the fuss over the 3 slots.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 12:50:55 GMT -5
If we all had no players currently under contract then it wouldnt matter. But some teams are more set up for RP being more valuable than others are. Completely agree, this helps those who are set up and can pivot versus those who've already invested in their lineups. I think if this rules is implemented will be implemented in 5 years. I can get behind it but this seems to greatly favor rebuilding/teams who don't have contracts. I just think that's a huge market shift over 3 spots. I just don't get the fuss over the 3 slots. Sure it does. I have 1 rp who I'll likely trade and a billion sp prospects but it favors rebuilding teams? Do you know who cares about and owns the vast majority of quality rp? Competing teams
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Post by Giants GM (Adkins) on Jan 16, 2020 12:58:56 GMT -5
This voting pressure...Seems Black kevin is a Hillary supporter... Seems like Adkins is a Biden supporter 🤢🤮 Na, I write in Red Sox GM (Ty)
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 16, 2020 14:07:53 GMT -5
I was just looking back, is there a rule on posting a bunch of FA throughout the season without the intention of signing? There's a strategy to burying a good player underneath a bunch of bum FA's.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 14:17:09 GMT -5
I was just looking back, is there a rule on posting a bunch of FA throughout the season without the intention of signing? There's a strategy to burying a good player underneath a bunch of bum FA's. So dont address the poor argument you made that was exposed but instead move on to another illogical suggestion? This league is a desert wasteland during the season. But your suggestion is to deter fa posting? Very smart. I think we should make a rule against a team backloading a contract to pay someone $65M in a season when they'll probably not even still be in the league by then. That would actually make sense for the health and longevity and integrity of the league if we made contracts like that illegal. I think contracts like that are a mockery and anybody who wins with a contract like that it's just a cheap short-minded unrealistic way to win. Especially if hypothetically this team that won were winning with a team they didnt even build to begin with.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 16, 2020 14:17:31 GMT -5
it would be lovely to not do politics on here. Like really really really lovely.
@twins, I thought we made a rule somewhere to prevent it, but apparently we didnt. We fucking should though. It isn't a "strategy" its just giving people with less time homework to do and it isn't what this league is or should be about.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 16, 2020 14:19:17 GMT -5
Deterring nonsense FA posting where it is for the purpose of burying someone else is very smart. Dont be a dick to him because he doesnt agree with you.
And yes, we might need to be more strick specifically with the backloading. That was absurd but somehow within the rules.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 14:21:41 GMT -5
Deterring nonsense FA posting where it is for the purpose of burying someone else is very smart. Dont be a dick to him because he doesnt agree with you. And yes, we might need to be more strick specifically with the backloading. That was absurd but somehow within the rules. Hes been a dick lately so yeah I will be a dick right back. Okay so have the league even more inactive during season. That's great work by a Lo member. I wont post anybody. Only a handful of gms post people here. You should incentivize fa posting and activity not deter it.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 14:24:13 GMT -5
Deterring nonsense FA posting where it is for the purpose of burying someone else is very smart. Dont be a dick to him because he doesnt agree with you. And yes, we might need to be more strick specifically with the backloading. That was absurd but somehow within the rules. Furthermore, define nonsense fa posting. This past season I posted many minor leaguers with impressive stats. I know because I went right down the hr leader lists in the different leagues in some of my posts. So it's not nonsense posting. Those players are good and many of them who I didnt even have interest in got signed to contract because people put in the work did the research and saw something in those players. Just because you've never heard of the player doesnt make it nonsense. Posting a bunch of .150 average minor leaguers would be nonsense not the top guys in the minors in terms of statlines.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 14:25:54 GMT -5
it would be lovely to not do politics on here. Like really really really lovely. @twins, I thought we made a rule somewhere to prevent it, but apparently we didnt. We fucking should though. It isn't a "strategy" its just giving people with less time homework to do and it isn't what this league is or should be about. Completely agree on the politics but theres always one asshole who starts it
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Jan 16, 2020 14:30:50 GMT -5
it can be annoying/time consuming going through all your posted players but its a game too. There are some guys putting up stats that i know youre not going to be bidding on and then i know there is some guy your trying to slip through the cracks. I personally dont mind it, but i would also be up for a rule in place limiting it just in case someone went insane and posted like 50 guys. In-season max of like 15 guys per GM per week wouldnt kill activity and also would still allow you to try to hide your guy.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 14:33:21 GMT -5
If you wanted to implement a rule of 20 in-season I wouldnt object. I dont think off-season should be limited.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 16, 2020 15:36:57 GMT -5
Deterring nonsense FA posting where it is for the purpose of burying someone else is very smart. Dont be a dick to him because he doesnt agree with you. And yes, we might need to be more strick specifically with the backloading. That was absurd but somehow within the rules. Hes been a dick lately so yeah I will be a dick right back. Okay so have the league even more inactive during season. That's great work by a Lo member. I wont post anybody. Only a handful of gms post people here. You should incentivize fa posting and activity not deter it. 1. Escalating by being a dick right back doesnt need to happen. Then you're just as much of an ass as he is if not more. 2. You are willfully missing the point. I dont mind posting players, even a lot of players. But to pretend that you dont post 30 players with one mixed in there in an attempt to have half the league say "fuck it I cant research all of these players right now" so that your specific target falls to you is just lying. I suspect you will continue to be willfully ignorant about it, and pretend to not understand my point but whatever. You aren't drumming up business, you're excluding those with things to do in real life and limited time from participating in the process. I'll say it one more time, to be clear. FA bidding should not be about who has the most free time to research people. If you want to bid on someone, post them. In the offseasson its a different story, feel free to go ape. But I'm all for a 15 per gm limit during the normal weeks of the season.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 15:41:49 GMT -5
15 is so few. Lets say i post all the decent mlb guys unowned at any given time that is 7-8 right there and then if theres a prospect i want i have to "hide" it in 7 guys? I am requesting 20
Also, yes you are 100% correct when I escalated I was as much of a dick if not more... I admitted that already. I was purposely being a dick since he has been a dick. If that doesn't make sense to you then I'm not sure what to say. He made an argument against the p slot thing which made zero sense and because there was no possible logical rebuttal he brought up this point about fa posting because he knew it was something that would primarily affect me.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 16, 2020 16:02:58 GMT -5
Oh no, it makes perfect sense to me. I'm just advocating for you not to do it. And his point about P spots was valid he just did a shitty job explaining himself.
If you have min salary guys contributing in major ways it is much easier to pivot year to year in FA than if you have key guys locked up longer term already since your cash is tied up. At least thats what I think he was saying.
I'm requesting you dont hide prospects at all. Or we could just drop it and go another year ignoring the issue.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 16:09:31 GMT -5
How is it fair that me and maybe 2-3 other gms do the work to find a gem prospect and you're saying really 20 is too much? Other gms get to profit over the few gms who do the work to post these prospects. Then I won't post anyone and I'll just draft them. That is ridiculous to me. Once again, you will lower inseason activity like this at a time when the league already has almost no activity during the season. This place is always really awesome all off-season then poof... nothing goes on all season. very few trade blocks and how many people actually post fa's for bid? not many.
I urge you to take measures to increase in-season activity on the board instead of discouraging it.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 16:16:49 GMT -5
Oh no, it makes perfect sense to me. I'm just advocating for you not to do it. And his point about P spots was valid he just did a shitty job explaining himself. If you have min salary guys contributing in major ways it is much easier to pivot year to year in FA than if you have key guys locked up longer term already since your cash is tied up. At least thats what I think he was saying. I'm requesting you dont hide prospects at all. Or we could just drop it and go another year ignoring the issue. Okay, but the p slot change would benefit people with strong bullpens. Rebuilding teams on average have almost no bullpens at all... so immediately we would all be at a disadvantage and need to hunt for rp and play catchup. Also clearly barn benefits the MOST and hes not rebuilding
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 16:18:49 GMT -5
Also, I'm saying switch 2 sp slots to p slots. You guys are really overreacting to it in my opinion. Most teams already have more than the 6 rp on their teams if they're competing during the season
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Post by Mets GM (barnstormers) on Jan 16, 2020 16:29:13 GMT -5
Man, these fun posts took a right turn. Went to see a customer and I came back to this shit. Give him hell BK.
I say post as many FA as you want. Gives some of us a little more to do during the season.
Anyone want to hear my "rule of thumb" on researching BK's page full of Minor League Free Agents?
Thought I'd ask first this time.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 17:16:59 GMT -5
Lmao what is the rule of thumb barn?
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 16, 2020 18:19:05 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better more than happy to pay the buy-in for those 6 years. I spent like multiple days determining how I wanted to structure the contract. I front-loaded Rendon contract and Back loaded Coles? I think those cancel each other out, went over the rules. I was pretty underneath 65%. I think if a change is going to limit backloading the same has to be done for front-loading? They both have their benefits and risks. I get the concern with backloading and bailing but a lot of thought went into what my plan was. I can send you a copy of my sheets to see the number of edits I performed.
To the other Point: I think to do a change like this would need multiple years of warning. I feel like this change that suits specific teams rather than it being out of need. There isn't a shortage of Starting pitchers. There was a ton of SP available this year. Yea you can run 9 RP instead of Running 6 and you can gets stats relatively every other game versus the SP at 1 every 5 games. Yea you can currently only "start" 6 relievers at a time, So you want to start 9? I just think this is a big fuss over 3 spots. The high-quality closers are obviously owned by the competing teams, there is only so many available let alone in a 30 teamer. The relievers are valued pretty high let alone closers. I just think this is removing the $ required for good-great starters. That would benefit teams who don't have high salaried SP. There is a lot of cost-effective benefits to 9 bullpen arms. Let alone you're likely to sign relievers for cheaper/less long term risk if they fall apart, which is likely. I still don't understand the fuss over 3 SP and 6 RP over 9 RP. I think having 3 minimal SP is fair. I think not having to invest in the high contracts that SP get would allow you to control/pay your hitters who contribute in all 6 cats vs SP who get paid significant money and only contribute in 4. You can't argue that there isn't a strategy to employ here by having by 9 flex "Bp" spots vs 6 and 3 Starting pitchers.
To the point about burying: I have no issues with legit posting or even guys who might help/other teams but when people post 10 guys just to bury prospects or two. I get the hustle but just annoying to have to go page worths of guys because someone decided to try and hide a spec. I think to post 20 guys just to post without any intention of signing 1 is just a little much?
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Post by Mets GM (barnstormers) on Jan 16, 2020 20:21:25 GMT -5
Blah Blah Blah
The current rules have been working pretty good for 12 years.
Now, my "rule of thumb" on researching BK's pages of posted Minor League Free Agents:
1) If you can easily pronounce his name, the guys white, been in AA for 3 years and is older than the rest of the league. Don't wast your time. 2) If his last name ends in Z, consider him. 3) If his last name ends in Z and he has an American first name, see rule number 1. 4) If you are having trouble pronouncing his name, give that player a serious look. 5) If he has a first name that you would never name your own kid, that's the player BK is burying.
You see. Easy.
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 16, 2020 20:49:51 GMT -5
what the hit or miss rate on these rules? It seems like a funny list to go by.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Jan 16, 2020 21:33:37 GMT -5
I think the only rule we made was that they had to be active players. There was a time when BK would post people not even playing in the minors lol. I don’t think we ever put it in writing but it was agreed upon and it stopped. Also, I'm saying switch 2 sp slots to p slots. You guys are really overreacting to it in my opinion. Most teams already have more than the 6 rp on their teams if they're competing during the season You are wanting to fundamentally change the way this league is played. I don’t see how it is a small change at all. It would be like changing C, MI and CI all to just IF; or in a basketball league go from G, F, C to all Util positions.
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Post by Tigers (Dingo) on Jan 17, 2020 18:47:05 GMT -5
One way to stop backloading would be to make a rule that you can't pay a single player more than say 35% of your salary cap in any given year. That's currently in the 44-54 range. Or if you don't think that's fair to small market teams just make a hard cap for everybody at like 50 million.
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Post by Dodgers GM (matty) on Jan 17, 2020 19:52:21 GMT -5
Tbh I kinda like the hard cap. Question, who would win a bid if two or more teams bid the exact same years and amounts? That would be the only issue with a cap because we would have these kind of “max contracts” right?
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