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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 13, 2020 13:53:11 GMT -5
Are we making next years picks tradable once this draft begins?
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 13, 2020 14:23:51 GMT -5
Is it a rule we have to have a team page? Theres several teams in league with outdated team pages or NO TEAM PAGE AT ALL making trades and stuff like that... I think it should be a requirement and is useful even with the fact we have a spreadsheet.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 13, 2020 15:29:24 GMT -5
Does Cardinals selection drop 10 selection since they were abandoned and over the Cap for most of the season? I dont think its appropriate to sanction the current owner for the past owner's mistakes esp since he abandoned the team.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 13, 2020 15:31:14 GMT -5
Is it a rule we have to have a team page? Theres several teams in league with outdated team pages or NO TEAM PAGE AT ALL making trades and stuff like that... I think it should be a requirement and is useful even with the fact we have a spreadsheet. I'd like it to be required and standardized but it likely never will be because ultimately it doesnt impact anything. For me tho, if you dont have one I'm basically not trading with you because I cant see the dudes on your team in a normal format lol. I would also be up for improving the spreadsheet to be sorted by position and then not have the need for other team pages but thats just me and also something I dont know how to do in sheets lol.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 13, 2020 15:32:18 GMT -5
And re: RFA player movement.
The tags arent designed to get the player a new owner, they are designed to allow the old owner to retain their rights. If they want to trade their rights then go for it. Moving some deadline period for trading them is just going to delay the inevitable.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 14, 2020 11:44:53 GMT -5
After discussion among the ELO, we have decided to hold off on the 2020 pick trading until after the draft as we have always done. Every year we have at least one case of people moving a pick they dont have or picking someone ineligible and no one catching it for a while and we have to pause or undo or whatever and deal with it. Incorporating another year's worth of picks only serves to further create the potential for mistakes and confusion, especially considering the pace that the draft can move and our policy of "feel free to pick before a ELO member processes it to not miss your spot" that we use every year. If we had a commissioner online 24/7 during the draft to verify things as they go then it would be possible, but we are all adults with outside lives that need tending to and the potential for a draft-altering fuck up grows too much with this.
We would however encourage you to do the "pick and shake" deals in the draft if you really want to operate with a trade like this. Agree a deal, pick the player the other guy wants, and complete the deal as soon as the draft ends. Yes, this requires trust between teams, but thats how its going to happen for now.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 14, 2020 11:52:48 GMT -5
While I'm disappointed in the decision I do really appreciate you guys giving it some thought.
Another suggestion: Get rid of the sp/rp slots and switch to 9 P slots
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 14, 2020 11:58:30 GMT -5
While I'm disappointed in the decision I do really appreciate you guys giving it some thought. Another suggestion: Get rid of the sp/rp slots and switch to 9 P slots That would be something that would require a bit of notice to implement, although we can certainly discuss it. I assume a fair amount of owners would punt on some things but also it would increase the value of RP slightly since they can potentially go every day and SP you only need in your lineup when they are starting. We can discuss and get the league's thoughts, but it is def not something that will change for this year.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 14, 2020 12:21:54 GMT -5
Yes I'm saying for 2021
You guys always say bring it up in offseason but for a change like this I think If you're going to change it for 2021 then do it now so people have notice.
I would propose a leaguewide poll on this issue.
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Post by Giants GM (Adkins) on Jan 14, 2020 13:29:43 GMT -5
Yeah, this is dumb lol. Sorry "from the" Giants.
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Post by Dodgers GM (matty) on Jan 14, 2020 19:02:28 GMT -5
If I vote for anything after catching up with all of these conversations, I think we should switch to 9 pitcher slots. Get rid of the RP and SP roles, they’re just unnecessary. And in the real life MLB if you think about it, you can pitch whoever the fuck you want anyways nowadays.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 14, 2020 19:13:14 GMT -5
Just consider that now the best teams will roster 7-8 set up men and closers. and be able to stack up those categories and have the same SP impact. The way it is now is slightly more balanced, but still. just throwing it out there
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Jan 14, 2020 20:58:59 GMT -5
Since we’re talking about it, I’m against all P spots. I don’t understand wanting to make that change after 10+ years. I like having to look for guys that have both SP and RP eligibility to gain a little advantage. I also think that a lot of teams will just stack their roster with cheap relievers and skip paying any premium on starters. I feel like every winner would have 0 SPs.
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 14, 2020 21:05:19 GMT -5
I don't get the reasoning over changing 3 SP slots. I don't get how not having at least 3 SP helps.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 14, 2020 21:15:25 GMT -5
you dont have to play the SP 4/5 of the time lol.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Jan 14, 2020 21:35:54 GMT -5
I don't get the reasoning over changing 3 SP slots. I don't get how not having at least 3 SP helps. You could just play 9 solid relievers all the time and be solid in Whip, ERA, Saves and Hold...hold your own in Ks and probably be bottom 3rd in wins. And relievers are generally cheaper than starters so you’ve freed up more money. Over time it would probably bring salaries down for SPs but would take years to see that.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 14, 2020 21:39:05 GMT -5
Couldn't you just play 9 relievers now and do that? Like you said you can find SP-eligible relievers...
Really, we should have an innings minimum to prevent that whether we were to switch to 9 P slots or not
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 14, 2020 22:17:31 GMT -5
I don't get the reasoning over changing 3 SP slots. I don't get how not having at least 3 SP helps. You could just play 9 solid relievers all the time and be solid in Whip, ERA, Saves and Hold...hold your own in Ks and probably be bottom 3rd in wins. And relievers are generally cheaper than starters so you’ve freed up more money. Over time it would probably bring salaries down for SPs but would take years to see that. True, I'm just saying that missing 3 SP slots really hurt? I think if there was 5SP and 4P slots I could understand it. I just think it's going to shift the market and relievers are going to more expensive imo. I don't think you're really saving money, maybe initially but market will correct itself and relievers won't be as cheap and SP might come down.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 14, 2020 23:37:54 GMT -5
Couldn't you just play 9 relievers now and do that? Like you said you can find SP-eligible relievers... Really, we should have an innings minimum to prevent that whether we were to switch to 9 P slots or not Yes but the SP eligible RP are usually not very good and def usually not getting Saves or Holds. I am also very opposed to innings minimums. In a league this size, a few injuries to SP can completely derail a season already never mind get you in rules trouble.
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Post by Mets GM (barnstormers) on Jan 16, 2020 9:07:15 GMT -5
I'm for doing the 9 flex pitchers and get rid of the SP/RP designation. I've made a living using Relief Pitchers. Every year my roster is littered with about 10 cheap Matt Albers and Alex Claudio type bums. I win holds, compete in SO's and vulture enough wins to compete in that category. I'm too stupid to find a Starting Pitcher with an ERA under 4.00. This will save me about 50 Mil every year.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 16, 2020 10:39:26 GMT -5
While I appreciate the sentiment, lets vote for what is fair not what would benefit us individually lol.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 10:46:23 GMT -5
What does fairness have to do with anything? The rule would change for everyone. I suppose u think the juiced ball isnt fair as well? Even though every team uses it...
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 10:46:49 GMT -5
And you're correct... let's vote
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 10:52:19 GMT -5
This rule change with the way people are doing bullpen games nowadays and it's becoming a trend really mirrors real life mlb.
And it would take the annoyance away from if you have 7 relievers going now I have to spend 10 minutes figuring out who is most likely to rest so I can bench that 1
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Post by Mets GM (barnstormers) on Jan 16, 2020 11:12:22 GMT -5
That requires too much thought BK. My rule of thumb:
1) If you are right handed and pitch today, you sit tomorrow. 2) If you are right handed and get hammered today you sit for 2 days. 3) If you are left handed and you pitch today, you sit tomorrow. 4) If you are left handed and pitch less than an inning today, you keep him in until his arm falls off. 5) If you are a closer you stay in until you get injured or replaced.
Takes i minute instead of 10.
You see. You don't need analytics.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 11:22:27 GMT -5
That requires too much thought BK. My rule of thumb: 1) If you are right handed and pitch today, you sit tomorrow. 2) If you are right handed and get hammered today you sit for 2 days. 3) If you are left handed and you pitch today, you sit tomorrow. 4) If you are left handed and pitch less than an inning today, you keep him in until his arm falls off. 5) If you are a closer you stay in until you get injured or replaced. Takes i minute instead of 10. You see. You don't need analytics. It's still both mind-boggling and insanely impressive that you won a title here lmao
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Post by Giants GM (Adkins) on Jan 16, 2020 11:33:11 GMT -5
my rule of thumb....
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 16, 2020 11:45:44 GMT -5
What does fairness have to do with anything? The rule would change for everyone. I suppose u think the juiced ball isnt fair as well? Even though every team uses it... If we all had no players currently under contract then it wouldnt matter. But some teams are more set up for RP being more valuable than others are.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Jan 16, 2020 11:52:59 GMT -5
What does fairness have to do with anything? The rule would change for everyone. I suppose u think the juiced ball isnt fair as well? Even though every team uses it... If we all had no players currently under contract then it wouldnt matter. But some teams are more set up for RP being more valuable than others are. Which is exactly why you should take the vote now and if implemented announce it now for a change in 2021
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 16, 2020 12:15:46 GMT -5
We have never had a straight vote decide things here. We're listening to discussion and we will figure out if changes need to be made. Just like we do with every potential rule change. I'd like to hear other voices here on either side besides yours tbh.
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