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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Feb 23, 2018 12:32:02 GMT -5
I think it makes plenty of since to change the rule so that once our milb draft is underway the following years picks also become tradable.
Thoughts?
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Post by Mets GM (barnstormers) on Feb 23, 2018 13:15:37 GMT -5
I'm on board with Royal. Every year a few of us have deals pending, waiting for the draft to end anyways. I'm for trading any future draft pick. I plan on living until I'm 100. That calculates to 203 available picks for me.
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Post by The Ghost of Swo on Feb 23, 2018 13:39:24 GMT -5
The time for proposing rule changes isn't after you blatantly circumvent them, but rather during the part of the off season where we discuss potential rule changes (usually November).
(this is not intended in anger, but was written in jest)
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Post by Cubs GM (Scott B) on Feb 23, 2018 13:41:22 GMT -5
 shots fired. its tough to keep track of but im ok with it too. |
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Feb 23, 2018 14:02:51 GMT -5
The reason we haven't allowed it in the past is because we had enough trouble keeping shit straight. If the members of the ELO who actually still do shit (Scott and Tyler) are on board with the additional headache, I have no objection.
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Post by The Ghost of Swo on Feb 23, 2018 14:27:56 GMT -5
Keep in mind, over half our rules are products of the laziness of Ty and I.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Feb 23, 2018 15:26:02 GMT -5
The time for proposing rule changes isn't after you blatantly circumvent them, but rather during the part of the off season where we discuss potential rule changes (usually November).
This 100%. Even if everyone wanted to change it, it isn't happening this year. We had months where all there was to do was talk about rule changes and this didnt get brought up.
Also, we should definitely not allow this. Teams have an easy enough time mortgaging the future of a franchise and then dropping out of the league. If we let a team trade picks years ahead and then take off that would cripple teams worse than they already are. This is gonna be a passionate no from me dog. ESPECIALLY when it is SO SO SO SO easy to trade around it.
You two could have agreed your deal, picked who the other wanted, and made the full trade after the draft. Literally nothing would be different except you'd be playing by the rules and the league wouldn't outright know that you broke rules.
That is not to mention how hard it is to keep track of pick trading as it is.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Feb 23, 2018 16:54:41 GMT -5
The time for proposing rule changes isn't after you blatantly circumvent them, but rather during the part of the off season where we discuss potential rule changes (usually November). This 100%. Even if everyone wanted to change it, it isn't happening this year. We had months where all there was to do was talk about rule changes and this didnt get brought up. Also, we should definitely not allow this. Teams have an easy enough time mortgaging the future of a franchise and then dropping out of the league. If we let a team trade picks years ahead and then take off that would cripple teams worse than they already are. This is gonna be a passionate no from me dog. ESPECIALLY when it is SO SO SO SO easy to trade around it. You two could have agreed your deal, picked who the other wanted, and made the full trade after the draft. Literally nothing would be different except you'd be playing by the rules and the league wouldn't outright know that you broke rules. That is not to mention how hard it is to keep track of pick trading as it is. 1.Nobody broke a rule. Picks cannot be traded until after the draft is the rule. That is what was followed. And if you think that's the only trade that a ever been done like that you're just naive. It's even realistic to mlb... ever hear of "a player to be named later". Most of the time that's a current years draft pick who can't be dealt yet. Trea turner became a national like that. When mlb saw that deal they let it go since it's not teachnically breaking a rule and then they made things more lenient to deal those current years picks since they knew teams wanted that. 2. In response to the crippling teams future part... we're talking about being able to trade picks like 4-5 weeks earlier than usual. I dont know if i was being unclear about this or not. All im saying is when the milb draft begins (next january) then teams should be able to trade the following years picks. Do you really think that moving this back 4-5 weeks is going to change the way gms conduct business? I am not proposing to be able to deal picks 2 drafts ahead. It just makes sense on a few levels... one of which is let's say it's the 4th round and your guys have all been taken. It makes for a nice and easy deal to take your 4th round pick and swap it for somebody's 4th the following year. 3. Are you seriously complaining about a suggestion to change something beginning 11 months from now if the consensus is to do so? This wouldn't affect anything in this league until next january. That's just being unnecessarily stubborn. |
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Post by Pirates GM (Larry) on Feb 23, 2018 16:55:57 GMT -5
Keep in mind, over half our rules are products of the laziness of Ty and I. Bingo!  |
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Feb 23, 2018 17:04:29 GMT -5
Only if we can clear up what year we are calling the picks in the draft |
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Feb 23, 2018 17:11:29 GMT -5
Lmao, I feel like the picks currently being dealt are 2018 picks. Even though the draft takes place barely into 2019 these are all 2018 milb draftees and 2018 mlb international signings that are being taken for the vast majority of the picks.
So to be clear what I'm saying is when the 2018 draft begins that is when 2019 picks should be able to be traded. And so forth when the 2019 draft begins that is when 2020 picks should be able to be traded. It makes things more convenient and increases the amount of logical trade options/scenarios available during the draft.
But I'm definitely open to a good counterargument that we should call the picks currently being traded 2019 picks as long as it's something more substantial than "the draft is technically in 2019" if you've got one cork.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Feb 23, 2018 17:44:44 GMT -5
I don't have one other than it's easier to say "the draft is taking place in 2019 so it's the 2019 draft" haha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 18:25:54 GMT -5
I do enjoy the idea of being able to trade a current pick for the next years pick during the draft. One of the most interesting parts of major league drafts (more nba and nfl) is trading current picks for future picks and vice versa. I also agree that it shouldn’t be possible until the day the draft opens.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Feb 23, 2018 20:09:34 GMT -5
"Nobody broke a rule. Picks cannot be traded until after the draft is the rule. That is what was followed. And if you think that's the only trade that a ever been done like that you're just naive. It's even realistic to mlb... ever hear of "a player to be named later". Most of the time that's a current years draft pick who can't be dealt yet. Trea turner became a national like that. When mlb saw that deal they let it go since it's not teachnically breaking a rule and then they made things more lenient to deal those current years picks since they knew teams wanted that. "
1. Your trade was only allowed because we all clearly could tell that it was part of the Schwarber trade. Otherwise 3/4 of the commissioners wanted to veto it because it was so lopsided.
2. When you want to do those trades the usual way (I've done it, so have other commissioners and many other members of the league), is that you pick the person the other one wants and complete it after the draft finishes. You could have easily done that here and avoided all of this.
3. This ain't MLB. There are plenty of rules that are different. I know you're cherry picking one to make a point, and you are kinda right. We allowed your trade this time literally "since it's not technically breaking a rule".
I argued for the trade to go through. so you're welcome. I don't see why you cant just do it the way it works for everyone else as described in point 2. Everything has to be difficult.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Feb 23, 2018 20:14:17 GMT -5
And if its going to be a minor inconvenience for you vs a headache for us to keep track of, sorry, but I'm siding with keeping it the same. Scott Ty and I (and not really Swo, but ok) put in an insane amount of time to try to make this league run smoothly. There is no real reason other than minor inconvenience to change this rule. Like you said, these trades happen every year and they do so within the current rules.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 20:23:18 GMT -5
As it doesn’t matter until next year anyway, y’all should start the convo up again next winter meetings. Save the hassle now when it would have to be brought up again then anyway in order to make an official change.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Feb 23, 2018 20:26:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure how it's extra work since you'll have to keep track of the 2019 picks traded anyways. If you want then I'll volunteer to keep track for those 4 extra weeks.
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Post by KC Royals GM (Kevin) on Feb 23, 2018 21:07:43 GMT -5
At the end of the day you guys do the heavy lifting and it's your decision. I stated my case and I won't say anything more about it or complain or anything. If you guys don't wanna do it then it's okay. All I can do is make my argument then respect the decision.
LO here is better than ever and you guys have done a fantastic job this off-season. For that, I sincerely thank you.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Feb 23, 2018 23:11:33 GMT -5
Bottom line is it wouldn't matter until 11 months and 2 weeks from now anyway we can reevaluate later. Thank you.
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