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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Nov 6, 2023 15:42:06 GMT -5
What do people think we should do when an owner ignores the cap/player limit?
If I am at my cap and 55 man roster and win a player in FA, regardless of if I pick him up on fantrax or not, I either have 56 players and am over the salary cap OR I auto drop him and get penalized over the cap.
If I just am MIA after that, how long until its punished and what is the punishment?
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Post by White Sox GM (alligatorchris) on Nov 6, 2023 16:42:10 GMT -5
Being Kiami would be enough punishment! Yeah, so in all seriousness I love the 72 hour rule, but at that point you should lose the player. If it’s because of a trade take their picks until they comply. I feel like the LO is fair and can handle circumstances as needed. Not every violation is major and/or intentional so discretion is advised.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Nov 7, 2023 8:25:12 GMT -5
Losing the player can still put someone over the cap (with the drop penalty). Losing the player works for that one player but the team is still over the cap money wise.
Only reason I bring this up is that the LO had a chance to handle this last season and didn't do anything for months.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Nov 7, 2023 14:55:29 GMT -5
Losing the player can still put someone over the cap (with the drop penalty). Losing the player works for that one player but the team is still over the cap money wise. Only reason I bring this up is that the LO had a chance to handle this last season and didn't do anything for months. This might be a dumb idea but I’ll throw it out anyways. The penalty could be that after the overage isn’t corrected by a certain time frame, it comes off of your following year cap space. Could even make it double for the headache. I.E. I’m over $2m and after a week I haven’t fixed it, $4m comes off next year. I do realize that it could penalize someone that may take over the team if they are in their way out but bad trades do as well.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Nov 7, 2023 16:07:39 GMT -5
I don't hate it tbh. What happens if theyre 2M over the cap for a month then fix it?
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Nov 7, 2023 19:13:30 GMT -5
I don't hate it tbh. What happens if theyre 2M over the cap for a month then fix it? The penalty is the penalty. They still have to keep it. Maybe it’s tiered based on time it takes to get back to good? Maybe at some point the LO decides who to drop based on salary to get them legal? Haven’t thought it out all the way. The penalty stays though for sure I would think.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Nov 8, 2023 9:10:55 GMT -5
As some may have noticed we are progressing with offseason business. The league has been renewed on fantrax and links updated here. Working my way through the sheets this week (I'm off Friday so that'll be the day).
Soon after that, Ty will announce the offseason schedule and whatever changes he plans to make for the league after reading through this topic. Then trading is re-opened are we are off to the races for another season!
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Nov 9, 2023 9:58:31 GMT -5
Sheet is finished being updated. Next up, Ty will make his declarations for any rule changes for this year and then we will post the league calendar and reopen trading officially
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Dec 15, 2023 14:30:43 GMT -5
Gentlemen,
With the close of the year upon us, it’s time to finalize or table our proposed changes for the offseason. Additionally, I’d forgotten to articulate another proposal that had been brought up to me much earlier in the year (apologies for the oversight). Due to the potential importance of this information in advance of a (possible) RFA bidding frenzy on a particular Japanese unicorn, it should be made clear and discussed in advance.
It’s my understanding that as of this past season, Fantrax had the ability for Shohei Ohtani (and I suppose any similar player) to start and accumulate statistics both as a pitcher and a hitter simultaneously. Because of the chaotic nature of the past year for me personally, and the relatively late date at which I became aware of this capability, I didn’t address or make any changes to his availability last year. However, it’s been argued, persuasively in my opinion, that his GM should not have to choose between either starting him as a pitcher or a hitter on the days that he takes the hill. Consequently, I’m inclined to take advantage of Fantrax’s capabilities to grant this additional flexibility. Obviously, this is a moot point for at least the next year, but I wanted to make public my intention on this issue in advance in the event there is any massive opposition that needs to be addressed.
Relatedly, I’ve reviewed the available information regarding the massive and unusual contract, and I’m unclear as to how our existing rules would interpret it vis-à-vis a franchise tag. The LO will scour the annals (which are overdue for a good scouring) for existing precedent and discuss in the coming days. We’ll make a formal ruling in advance of the tag deadline so that all interested parties will have sufficient time to plan accordingly.
On to non-Ohtani league business. Regarding the potential changes to our weekly bidding timeline; moving it from midnight to 5 PM EST doesn’t particularly move the needle in terms of my availability. To color in the crux of my predicament more clearly: I have 5 (!) kids, including a 2-year-old and a 5 month old. I own and operate 2 businesses and have recently finished up an acquisition which needs to be integrated into my existing business. At 5 PM on Fridays, I’m generally finishing up the days work and transitioning to wrangling my unruly progeny in hopes of putting them all to bed at a reasonable hour. My wife passes out around 10 and I’m not good for much past that. If we want a meaningful improvement in my availability to process bids, the deadline would have to be something between 9 AM and noon EST on Friday, where I could fit the bids in during intermittent downtime throughout the day.
I’m fine not moving the deadline and enlisting additional help in processing bids if that’s the league’s preference. I honestly expect, perhaps naively, that the next 12 months will be much less hectic for me than the previous 12, and it’s entirely plausible that I’ll have more energy and availability to process bids with regularity on Saturday. However, I think it’s only prudent to have a backup plan in the event that the recent past is prologue. Additional input from the league about its preferences would be appreciated on this.
The preceding topic leads nicely into our next, regarding the pickup of players won via FA and the consequences of not doing so. It seems to me that, contingent upon us satisfactorily resolving the bid-processing failures discussed above, we need to have somebody monitoring Fantrax for FA additions each week by a given deadline (the following Wednesday? Friday?). After the deadline passes each week, any player won during the previous weeks bidding but not added on Fantrax should be offered to the next-highest bidder. At that time, the high bidder would lose the rights to the player and be financially liable for the difference in value between his contract offer and the 2nd place bidder’s. If the 2nd place bidder fails to respond in a given amount of time (I’m open to suggestion on an appropriate deadline) or refuses the player, he becomes a free agent again, eligible to be posted, bid upon and won as normal. In this scenario, the high bidder who failed to claim the player would suffer the cap penalty of a forced drop. Of course, nothing precludes that team from offering an identical contract once the player is re-posted, which could eliminate the penalty.
This proposal requires additional oversight and manpower. I’m thankful to those of you who have reached out to me previously, expressing a willingness to step in, and this is potentially an area, if there is league consensus to enact the policy, where we could enlist some additional help.
I will be making another post imminently about some of the other topics discussed this offseason, but in the interest of expediency, I wanted to get this out now so there’s as much time as possible to hear league input before final decisions are made. As a prelude to my next missive, I am inclined to expand the playoffs for next year but want to do so in the least objectionable way possible. If you have thoughts that you’ve yet to share on that subject, now is a good time to make them public.
Thanks to all for their patience and loyalty. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season with your families, and I look forward to the forthcoming blissful chaos of our offseason.
ELO
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Dec 15, 2023 14:39:38 GMT -5
Love a good anal scouring
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Dec 15, 2023 14:45:07 GMT -5
1. Extra week of playoffs (end the season earlier), 2 team wild card play in. Byes for the div winners. 2. Move that deadline to whatever will work best for you. We could quite easily just do Friday at 12:01am and you can process them during work on Friday. We could def have a "if no sign ins to the MLBPA account by Friday night then backup bid processer steps in" kind of deal. 3. Whatever you decide with the "next highest bidder" stuff, please make it simple and straightforward.
Glad you're back.
Also MIL stated that they will be coming back for next season on Sept 3 then hasn't signed on or answered PMs or emails since. I'm not saying we def need someone, but be aware in general.
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Post by White Sox GM (alligatorchris) on Dec 15, 2023 15:33:52 GMT -5
Love a good anal scouring What did I miss?
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Post by Phillies GM (ryanfitzgerald11) on Dec 15, 2023 16:20:25 GMT -5
1) Agreed with DBacks. End season a week earlier to expand playoffs. 2) Move the time to whatever works. 3) Glad we are moving towards giving 2nd place bidder time to claim player. Happy to help where I can.
No issues with Ohtani position rule. Glad the functionality exists.
Also still wondering about cap space as we enter into RFA soon. We able to eat any money on a bad contract for a trade? Go over our soft cap by a certain amount for a draft pick?
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Dec 15, 2023 16:31:18 GMT -5
1) Agreed with DBacks. End season a week earlier to expand playoffs. 2) Move the time to whatever works. 3) Glad we are moving towards giving 2nd place bidder time to claim player. Happy to help where I can. No issues with Ohtani position rule. Glad the functionality exists. Also still wondering about cap space as we enter into RFA soon. We able to eat any money on a bad contract for a trade? Go over our soft cap by a certain amount for a draft pick? Offseason you are allowed to go 10% over both player limit and salary cap. You just have to be back by opening day.
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Post by Phillies GM (ryanfitzgerald11) on Dec 15, 2023 16:37:11 GMT -5
I know, talking about regular season. There has been a lot of talk about trading cap space, soft cap, eating money on contracts so just wanting some clarification if anything would change this upcoming season.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Dec 15, 2023 18:00:08 GMT -5
I'd have to think that if we changed that its one of those "in effect the next year" type deals. Ultimately up to Ty. I hope we don't do that though. Managing the cap is the fun of this league.
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Post by White Sox GM (alligatorchris) on Dec 15, 2023 18:05:09 GMT -5
I'd have to think that if we changed that its one of those "in effect the next year" type deals. Ultimately up to Ty. I hope we don't do that though. Managing the cap is the fun of this league. Dude did Ty yell at you after the draft order thing?
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Dec 15, 2023 18:18:42 GMT -5
I'm completely against just outright trading for $$/salary cap room, I feel like this opens up more issues than fixes imo. I think Tags would have to be revisited due to their correlation to the team's salary cap.
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Dec 15, 2023 18:19:29 GMT -5
I still think that lottery idea would add some pretty nice excitement at the end of the year/start of the year.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Dec 15, 2023 19:32:07 GMT -5
I'd have to think that if we changed that its one of those "in effect the next year" type deals. Ultimately up to Ty. I hope we don't do that though. Managing the cap is the fun of this league. Dude did Ty yell at you after the draft order thing? Lol that isn't why, but I am only admin. No decisions for me anymore. Retired from that life.
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Post by Phillies GM (ryanfitzgerald11) on Dec 15, 2023 20:20:21 GMT -5
I'm completely against just outright trading for $$/salary cap room, I feel like this opens up more issues than fixes imo. I think Tags would have to be revisited due to their correlation to the team's salary cap. I agree and am against trading for cap space. What I have been for is the eating of part of a players contract to allow for more trades at deadline. Example. Charlie Morton has a 1 year deal at 10M. Teams looking to add him don’t have space but team trading him could agree that they will take a cap hit of 5M to get a better return. They take the hit, acquiring team inherits a cap hit of the other 5M.
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Post by Red Sox GM (Ty) on Jan 3, 2024 13:03:55 GMT -5
Apologies again for the late posting here, but I think we’ve had sufficient dialogue on some of these topics to enact the following changes for next year:
We’re expanding the playoffs to add one Wild Card team to each league’s playoff. We’ll be ending our regular season one week early, and all division winners will be granted a first round bye to accommodate Wild Card week. Otherwise, our playoff format and tiebreakers will not change. I think this is the least offensive way to ease into expansion, but I’m open to re-visiting the format in the future if someone has a better idea. I was initially resistant to reducing our regular season, but upon further contemplation, I don’t think that doing so will adversely affect the playoff chase and should expand the pool of competitive teams- which, I think, is good for the health of the league.
We’re also moving the bid deadline from 11:59 PM EST Friday night to 10 AM Friday morning. Doing so should materially increase the likelihood of my processing bids in a timely manner. Should I still struggle to do so, I’ll be enlisting someone to be on call to step in so that we can tighten up our new FA acquisition policy, which is as follows:
- Bids will be posted each week by Sunday night at the latest - Teams who have won players must claim them on Fantrax by the following week’s bid deadline. - Any unclaimed players on Fantrax will be posted as available to be claimed by the second highest bidder, and the original winner will be charged the cap penalty of a forced drop. - If the second highest bidder accepts, he can add the player on Fantrax at the contract he offered, and the original winner’s cap penalty will be reduced accordingly. If the second highest bidder chooses to pass or fails to respond by 11:59 PM EST on Sunday, the player is eligible to be posted and bid upon as normal the following week.
This policy will obviously require some additional oversight, and I’m grateful to the people who have reached out to me volunteering their time. I’ll be in touch with you personally to iron out the policy details and the requirements so that we can institute this as seamlessly as possible.
It doesn’t seem like there’s sufficient consensus to tackle the idea of trading cap this year. It’s something I’m open to in the future, but we’ve got to come up with a workable solution that has broad support and it’s clear that we’re just not there yet.
With regards to the Ohtani contract, I fear that getting into the weeds interpreting contract language is a dangerous precedent to set and is likely to cause more headaches than it avoids. It’s clear to me that, as valuable as he is, Ohtani is not a $70M/year player. He’s also definitely not a $2M/year player. Using the CBT value, I think, is more reflective of his value, but what I think his value is should be irrelevant. As such, we’re not getting into the business of interpreting contracts like this, and we’ll go with just what Cot’s has listed: 24-33 $70M annually. This means that if Cot’s had listed (or chooses to list a similar contract in the future) the deal as 24-33 $2M annually with $68M in interest-free deferrals for each contract year, the player’s franchised contract would be 24-33: $2M.
Get your tag designations and URFA’s posted and your rosters cleaned up on Fantrax, because the fun is about to start. Good luck to all this year.
ELO
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Post by Mets GM (barnstormers) on Jan 3, 2024 17:26:12 GMT -5
I just offered the Angels owner all my 1st & 5th round picks from 2024-33 with the Angel's to agree he receives only the 5th round picks and defer's the 1st round picks to years 2034-43.
He said no.
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 3, 2024 17:31:59 GMT -5
can you even afford Ohtani?
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 3, 2024 17:46:20 GMT -5
I don't see him getting franchised now tbh.
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Post by Nationals GM (corkzilla) on Jan 3, 2024 19:06:04 GMT -5
Impossible to franchise now, no? Realistically, what’s someone here going to be able to afford for 6 years? Even if you approach the $70, you can at least break it down some for a little flexibility at some point.
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Post by Twins GM (Mike) on Jan 3, 2024 19:13:28 GMT -5
I think that's what he means? He loses flexibility by Franchising Ohtani at 70/10 years. I'd be honestly a bit shocked if he hits 50M/year, at least from any team with a cap under 146M. I think such a huge cap hit over 6 years just going to handicap most teams.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 5, 2024 9:29:26 GMT -5
That is what I meant for the record. Even if someone gets him to 70M per on here somehow, its only over 6 years and it can be structured however LAA wants.
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Jan 5, 2024 9:36:30 GMT -5
Rules section has been updated btw
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Post by D Backs GM (Tyler) on Mar 10, 2024 13:35:46 GMT -5
We’re also moving the bid deadline from 11:59 PM EST Friday night to 10 AM Friday morning. Doing so should materially increase the likelihood of my processing bids in a timely manner. Should I still struggle to do so, I’ll be enlisting someone to be on call to step in so that we can tighten up our new FA acquisition policy, which is as follows:
- Bids will be posted each week by Sunday night at the latest - Teams who have won players must claim them on Fantrax by the following week’s bid deadline. - Any unclaimed players on Fantrax will be posted as available to be claimed by the second highest bidder, and the original winner will be charged the cap penalty of a forced drop. - If the second highest bidder accepts, he can add the player on Fantrax at the contract he offered, and the original winner’s cap penalty will be reduced accordingly. If the second highest bidder chooses to pass or fails to respond by 11:59 PM EST on Sunday, the player is eligible to be posted and bid upon as normal the following week."
A reminder.
Also, Ty please clarify. This pretty much means that a player can't be posted and bid on two weeks in a row right? Because that first week after the initial bid process is for the first or second bidder to claim?
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